Hello Phil


 
> All very well but according to my notes the C4D code above is missing
> a number!

Two!
 
> Perhaps the files being downloaded will be above 95% complete also!

90%?

Regards
-- 
Zipper

proud owner of A500 powerhouse ala '91
now cooking with A4000/233PPC

Hello,

*** Begin of forwarded message ***

Date: 07-Nov-99 09:17:26
From: Patrice Champarou <pmchamp@club-internet.fr>
Subject: Re: HEEEEEEEELP!!!

--- Forwarded message follows ---


Hello Oliver

Thanks for your help; apparently, everyboby's still in bed, so I'll see if
this messages finds its way back to me.

On 07-Nov-99, early in the morning, you wrote:

> Hmmm... you are not marked as "bouncing", so it would appear that things
> should be ok.

( I still wonder what 'bouncing' means.)

> Having checked your subscription parameters, I noticed
> that you had "Convert to HTML" switched on.

I certainly did not enter that myself!

> I have now switched this
> off, just to see if that helps the situation (maybe it's the eGroups
> HTML converter that is causing all the probs).

Thanks again, I'll see if it works in a minute or two
> 
> BTW, I'm a co-moderator of the afb list, in case you didn't already
> realize :)

I was almost completely awake, so I guessed in the first place :)

  Cheers

  Patrice
*** End of forwarded message ***

Kind regards

Empty message

Can anybody help, If I set the block size to 16k it spends 5mins validating
the affected partion (this case dh2) before booting up. All the other
partions dh0, dh1 are at 512.

Thanks

Darren

I went to the dentist the other day.
He said "Say Aaah", I said "Why?". He said "My dogs died"

To the great TC

Hello Alex

On 06-Nov-99, Alex wrote:

> Dear All Folks,
> =

> As Ben Vost told us Power have stock of OS3.5 and I ordered one from th=
em.
> They charged my card on 30-OCT-1999, and will send it via AirMail. As o=
f
> today 6-NOVE-1999 I haven't receive it.

I don't know where do you live, but always give at least 7 working days f=
or airmail delivery.
If you are still worried, give Power a call.

Regards
-- =

Vincenzo Morra
vmorra@morres.demon.co.uk
www.morres.demon.co.uk
ICQ: 18467837

On 5 Nov 1999, Andy Mills wrote:

> >"its the volts that jolts, and the mill's that kills"
> 
> OI! I've never killed nobody!

;-)
 
> Besides, I thought it was Amps that killed.

yes, milliamps - hence 'mills' 

alan

hi,

> PRICE - =A3700 o.n.o

that'd be nice to sell it for that
=20
> You may have noticed the lack of a monitor, this is due to me droping my =
brothers PC monitor and having to give him my 17" Microvitech monitor :-(

bad luck! :-|
=20
> Before I am judged as a guy jumping ship I must say that I`m not. I have =
no choice about selling my beloved Amiga. In a few months time I will be li=
ving in America, and as we all know electrical goods from England won`t wor=
k over there so I gotta sell all my gear. Now why can`t the whole world use=
 a standardised voltage, it`d save a lot of hassle. Never fear though, once=
 I`m settled over there I`m gonna be getting myself another Amiga, I just c=
an`t live without one and I`m not going to lower my standards and buy a PC.

not true. you CAN use UK electrical items in the US, just as you can use
US items in the UK. in fact, its easier to go t'other way - look at your
tower PSU - you might even see a 110/220V switch on it. flick it over,
and your machine runs on 110v power, still giving the required current
and voltage to the motherboard and drives etc
=20
what you WILL have a problem with is shipping of the item. but thats
just a minor issue

theres plenty of US Amiga people...where are you going to?

alan

Hi Patrice,

> Thanks for your help; apparently, everyboby's still in bed, so I'll see if

Well, I heard a police car drive past about half an hour ago, and when
I looked out of the window just now there was a copper walking down
the road - so they're not *all* still in bed   ;)

Cheers,

Eddie

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Then the conversation continues about amiga watches....

its already been answered 'Omega' watches. how do you pronounce Amiga? 
'A'-'me'-'ga' (with the 'A' pronounced like the 'a' in 'cat')

alan  

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, chris wrote:

> American N64, Dreamcast, SNES etc, etc....with the necessary voltage
> adapter.

..transformer, surely? :-)

alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, David Baker wrote:

> Yeah but how much does it cost and how much hassle will it be to install
> such a device

very easy 

alan

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Patrice Champarou wrote:

>   Anyway, I'm pretty sure Mash was trying to trap someone. That one was
> already in 'Sabrina online' three years ago :)

:-) unless they really DID mean Amiga watches - like the timepiece they
sell on www.amiga.com :-)

alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 bobobob2@mail.com wrote:

> there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl have
> asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX and the no for magiclink is XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> i hope that help's ppl

oh dear! 

you obviously did not READ the message or the replies about this - OR
the warning from Ben!  The numbers werent given out for a couple of big
reasons, reasons which you have just violated.

alan

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, fool wrote:

> Or maybe it's the any key...

"To start press any key.......wheres the any key?" - classic Simpsons
episode! :-)


alan

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Paul Crellin wrote:

> The ROM's are numbered thus, 391773-01              391774-01
>                              
>                              28663A                 29147A
> 
> 
> 
> Between thes are the version numbers. Can anyone tell me which sockets
> they go in assuming that I am looking at the mb with the connectors
> facing away from me and pcmcia slot on my left.

okay, front of A1200 MB toward you...the ROM with the lowest part number
goes towards you - the 773-01 . note the pins that arent being used
right now.....they also are not used with the 3.1 ROM'

alans

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Jonathan Day wrote:

> Ever heard of a floppy disk?  ;-)
> 
> I think I remember you advocating getting rid of the things on an earlier
> thread...I`m sure you`ll correct me if I`m wrong :-)

you can always use a ZIP.  

> (with a 1 in a zillion - trillion chance of finding the key, apparently!)

didnt do any blocks yesterday then, huh? :-)

alan

"alan l.m. buxey" <kcci-@central.susx.ac.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=35871

> its already been answered 'Omega' watches. how do you pronounce
Amiga? 
> 'A'-'me'-'ga' (with the 'A' pronounced like the 'a' in 'cat')

  No, it depends on which syllable is stressed; if it's the first one,
then you're right, but otherwise the 'a' can pretty well sound like
a short 'er'.
  Pity ASCII characters don't include IPA :(

  Patrice

On 6 Nov 1999, Primo Busancano wrote:

> Hello,
>   Can some one please set my mind at rest? I have just taken delivery
> of the new 3.5 O.S from Epic.And I'm some what causious about loading
> it up because I'm afraid it will upset my  existing set up. Some of
> you will say "what the h*ll did you buy it for?" Well I'd like to up
> grade my WB and help support Amiga.So will it upset any of the
> following,all on WB.
>  In WB start up:TurboStart and Net connect.
>  In Prefs I have  IDEFXprefs,Mime prefs,Turbo prefs and cdfs prefs.
>  In my second partition (I have only two) I have paint progs,word
> prossesor etc etc.
>  So  can someone set my mind at rest and give me a simple answer?
>  Many thanks
>  Primo.
> primo@busancano.prestel.co.uk    6/11/1999

make sure you have a backup of your sys: partition. (best way is just
copy it toa drawer on the other partition. what? You've got your
workbench on a 1gb partition? oh.

anyway, once you've done that, install OS3.5

what it will do it update the bits that it needs to - and move things to
'backup' drawers. After you've installed, you can move those thigns
back...one by one.. to where they were. and thats it

alan

okay, if you're going to price this up.

> > A1200 - Ez-Tower
> 50

50 for the A1200 and 50 for the tower  100

> > Magnum 040/25 with 16meg RAM
> 80

80 for the card, 20 for the memory     100

> > 4.3 Gig Hard Drive
> 50
> > 32x CD-ROM
> 20
> > A4000 Keyboard
> 20
> > Elbox Flyer
> 40

agreed                                 130

> > Pace 56k External Modem
> 60

40                                      40
                                       
> > 3.1 ROM`s
> 20
> > Opus Magellan II
> 30

20 ...2nd hand s/w                      40

> > Netconnect 2
> 20
> > Mouse
> 10
> > Joystick
> 10
                                        40
 
> 310 quid. In fact you could buy all that brand new for cheaper than that...

450. maybe 500 max - with the other software mentioned. but there is NO
WAY you could buy that all brand new for cheaper. the A1200 in an
eyetech tower would already be 200 ukp
 
alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Mash - Yet to appear in AA, the 4th emergency service

now, where did i see this thread before? 

no matetr what their silly adverts say, the 4th emergency service is
offically the Coastguard/Royal Lifeboat institute. And having lived by
the coast for most of my life, I appreciate the real work that they do.

alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> On 05-Nov-99, maartend@dds.nl wrote:
> 
> > I started with the Image-FX manual from CU. In it it says;
> > to delete the current brush press the full stop key.
> 
> > What key is that?
> 
> full stop? Y' know, that little dot thing you use to end sentances fully?

or 'period' in yanky talk  ;-)
 
alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Plus if you flip the page in AA which has your name on, you'll see a news
> article about it, saying clearly it is still open.


/me wonders why Matt can be listed on the Pheonix consortium as
'University of Leicester' when in no way can he represent that 
educational institute in such a way, and when he doesnt know what
software is available for the Amiga! ;-)

unless, of course, lack of Imagine knowledge was a jest and the UOL does
have an Amiga policy and the governing board has created a
representation post for such a faculty school  ;-)

alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> 'tis easier now. Plus you can buy the I-Files, a CD packed with tutorials
> and stuff, very nice, might buy it soon

trouble with the I-Files is the PC-recorded demos...you need a PC to
play them back on. 

alan

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Sorry mate, it's your mail reder which is adding that. The raw data from
> matt contains no such text at all. Whatever you're using is adding it to
> the front methinks

correct - the test info is in the headers, the mailed then adds this
info

alan 

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Matt Sealey wrote:

> The wishlist has been updated. Many wishes added, some removed.
> http://www.neko.u-net.com/35wish.html
> Now with pictures! Three of the wishes have pictures attached to
> explain them. Check it out!
> Neko

looking good.  noted that i'm not put down for the updated con:
recommendation ;-)

alan

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Matt Sealey wrote:

> The wishlist has been updated. Many wishes added, some removed.
> http://www.neko.u-net.com/35wish.html
> Now with pictures! Three of the wishes have pictures attached to
> explain them. Check it out!

by the way, its almost looking like a 3.6 featurelist now...rather than
just patch/update :-) 

wrt workbench multithreading - that'll require new ROM's

alan

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Oliver Esberger wrote:

> I've just got rid of MCP as it is not working very well with OS3.5. One
> thing I really miss is some sort of Assign manager, I think this should
> be a part of the OS. And maybe they could include a small commodity that
> does things like doubleclicktofront, noclick for floppy drives etc. in a
> system legal fashion. Maybe they could even build this kind of
> functionality into the workbench.library and make it available via the
> Workbench prefs editor.

so........

noclick to be built in

assign manager (a central prefs program and also enable you to select a
volume/directory when a 'please insert requester' comes up)
 

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Phil Sell wrote:

> All very well but according to my notes the C4D code above is missing a
> number!

good!
 
alan

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Wesley Potter wrote:

> It stands for Originating Equipment Manufacturer and it is for people who
> build PC's for a living (and for fun if there is such a thing) so they
> don't have lots of empty boxes lying around hope that helps

you also dont get fancy packaging...or the bundles of games etc etc

alan

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Wesley Potter wrote:

> BTW anyone played The Curse of Monkey Island on a Windows box. There are
> some corking gags in it. :D 

<sigh> its one of my 'please port this game to the Amiga' wishlist games

alan

On Sat, 14 Feb 2037, Wesley Potter wrote:

> On 13-Oct-99 Matthew O'Neill said: 
> 
> > IS that why Volvo's always have their headlights on?, to make them go
> > faster?.... ;)
> 
> No it's because their made in Sweden where its dark all the time :)

not because of dark..because of twilight. the sun spends a lot of its
time on the horizon...headlights help cars become visible...anyone
notice that motorbikes almost always have their headlights on allt he
time too....a light source moving attracts attention.

alan

On 7 Nov 1999, Brian Soley wrote:

> I have 3 differnet Amigas 4 sale.  First up is an A1200 Power Tower,
> 030/40, 16meg, 810mb hard drive, x8 CDROM, Commodore 1084S monitor,
> Epson Stylus 440 colour printer, 56K Fax modem and many AF and CU
> CD's.  Next up is a bare A600 with a mouse, a Panasonic colour Dot
> Matrix printer and  some software.  Last is a CD32 (remember
> that?)with Sx1 expansion, and a Star LC200 colour printer, floppy
> drive also with some games.  I also have a 1.2Gig hard drive if anyone
> is interested.
> 
> I am open to any serious offers on the above and I will split, within
> reason.  C U later.  Brian.

to anyone offering etc, i think you'd look at the following prices

1st machine - 450-500 ukp
2nd machine - 100 ukp
3rd machine - 150 ukp

alan

On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 01:05:43PM +0000, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> so........
> 
> noclick to be built in

Not sure about that - it's incompatible with some old drives, notably some
A1010s, and making it a standard part of the operating system when it has
the potential to damage some official Amiga hardware may not be a
wonderful idea.

> assign manager (a central prefs program and also enable you to select a
> volume/directory when a 'please insert requester' comes up)

Yup, that'd be nice.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

Patrice wrote:

>> Hmmm... you are not marked as "bouncing", so it would appear that things
>> should be ok.
>
> ( I still wonder what 'bouncing' means.)

Return to sender, not known at this address.  :)

>> Having checked your subscription parameters, I noticed
>> that you had "Convert to HTML" switched on.
>
> I certainly did not enter that myself!

I'm pretty sure it's the default. I had to go into egroups and unset it
myself. That cured some problems, I seem to remember.

Regards,
Jonny.

--
There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a
suitable application of high explosives.

>  A friend of mine gave me this address


That'd be me then :)

>  Http://net4nowt.com/freecallinfo.htm
>  OOPS sorry ppls  I sent the wrong address be4 should be as
above.........

Oh you eventually got the URL right then:)
 
>  I don't know wether it's been mentioned before but it gives recent
info on
>  0800 access.

:)

Cya!

Timm

Has anybody had problems with the printer.device crashing with v45.4
datatype.library installed. I've had to revert back to v39.11.

Thanks

Darren

Hello,

  I'm glad to learn I've been 'added to the afb eGroup' again!
After unsobscribing each and every group, I joined two lists 
( including afb-OT ) where everything seems to work fine, so eGroups 
CAN'T be responsible for what happened. Either there's something wrong
with Afb, or I'll soon read from you all again.

Thanks to anyone who tried to help.

Patrice

On 06-Nov-99, bobobob2@mail.com wrote:

> there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl have
> asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> 6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510
> i hope that help's ppl

Umm, the C4D should have a couple more numbers....oh, and do you know what
asbestos is?

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Taglines! Taglines! I like Cal Webster Taglines!

On 05-Nov-99, Andy Kinsella wrote:

> Maybe just to make it that bit harder to inadvertently delete a file.
> . . With it not being moved to trash or somewhat, it's a bit of a twat
> going through the disk with disksalve for that file you accidently
> sentanced to death. Probably :)

what happens when you try to format a disk? it asks you if you're sure....

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Clinton's Cabinet: Labor, Murphy Brown.

On 06-Nov-99, Patrice Champarou wrote:

>  Anyway, I'm pretty sure Mash was trying to trap someone. That one was
> already in 'Sabrina online' three years ago :)

Ummm, no. Was it? I've never seen that one. Which number is it?

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Matt of Borg: Assimilation for all who complain!

Hiya Guys,

Okay every1 seems to be getting their setups valued.. and I've been toying
with selling for a while.. so if you lot don't mind how much could i
possible sell the following for?

Amiga 1200
Power Tower
A4000 Kb
Apollo 040/25 + 16Mb
33k Modem (Data/Voice/Fax)
4.3gig IDE hd
36x Creative CD-Rom
2x8 Sony CD-R
Power Flyer
Hewlett Packard Deskjet 690c
Wizard 3 button 560Dpi mouse
50+ Magazine CD's
old HD backups on CD-R
Master Sound Sampler
Over 8 Yrs of Amiga Mags (Or maybe not eh!!!)
Competition Pro CD-32 Pad
Various ORIGINAL Games (Say 2 quid each!!)

Valuations (Total and separate)

T'ra

Mark
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Magnum 040/25 with 16meg RAM
4.3 Gig Hard Drive
32x CD-ROM
A4000 Keyboard
Elbox Flyer
Pace 56k External Modem
3.1 ROM`s
Opus Magellan II
Netconnect 2
Mouse
Joystick

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On 07-Nov-99, Mash wrote:

>>  Anyway, I'm pretty sure Mash was trying to trap someone. That one was
>> already in 'Sabrina online' three years ago :)
> 
> Ummm, no. Was it? I've never seen that one. Which number is it?

  AF 98, page 99... but only as a quotation in the headline. I'm almost sure
I've seen it clearly included in the dialogue somewhere else ( AUI, Amiga
Computing or some previous issue of Afb... I'll have a look. )

  BTW, I still don't know if 'Amiga' is stressed on the first or the second
syllable. I'm going back to work tomorrow, and I don't want another restless
night.

  Bye,

  Patrice

hi,

> Okay every1 seems to be getting their setups valued.. and I've been toying
> with selling for a while.. so if you lot don't mind how much could i
> possible sell the following for?

50 quid. meet you by the pub ;-)
 
> Amiga 1200
> Power Tower
> A4000 Kb

120

> Apollo 040/25 + 16Mb
> 33k Modem (Data/Voice/Fax)
> 4.3gig IDE hd

130

> 36x Creative CD-Rom
> 2x8 Sony CD-R
> Power Flyer

150

> Hewlett Packard Deskjet 690c
> Wizard 3 button 560Dpi mouse
> 50+ Magazine CD's

110

> old HD backups on CD-R

worthless :-|

> Master Sound Sampler
> Over 8 Yrs of Amiga Mags (Or maybe not eh!!!)
> Competition Pro CD-32 Pad
> Various ORIGINAL Games (Say 2 quid each!!)

maybe 50

total -> about 550 


Please people, dont forget that these are prices you could ask Amiga
people for - as they would be after such setups...and quipment. If you
are trying to sell to a 'newbie' you'd have to take some more off -
because , as you can see, the total amount comes to an amount that
someone can get a whole PC package for...and such people dont know any
better :-|

(there again, certain HW - printers/modems/HD's can be sold for slightly
more in the 2nd hand PC market......or kept for your next machine)

alan

Hi all.
Has any one had any problems with a Z4 bus board.I cant get mine to work
at all I dont even get a early boot up screen.I have tried it with
another
MB and still no joy.Has any been run 3.0 roms I have 3.1s on order
hoping 
this will make the difference.I dont want to send it back if its
something 
Im doing wrong.

Thanks in advance

Steve

A1200t  1d4 fixed
040@25 Apollo
6.4 hd

On 06-Nov-99 06:49:38, Alex said about [afb] Power Computing Ltd:
> Dear All Folks,

> As Ben Vost told us Power have stock of OS3.5 and I ordered one from them.
> They charged my card on 30-OCT-1999, and will send it via AirMail. As of
> today 6-NOVE-1999 I haven't receive it.

> Does anyone have any problem with Power or some problem with UK Postal
> service??

The majority of my hardware came from Power as did 3.5 (pre-ordered).
No problems with them at all.....now the postal service :)

> I hardly to wait for it coming and install on my A2K!! :>

You'll love it!!!
Worth waiting for.

-- 
Ian Urie  <ianurie@jwu.u-net.com>
Uin:19729444
A motion to adjourn is always in order.

Hi all,

I'm thinking of upgrading my 030 to an 060=2E Can anyone give me some advic=
e,
performance wise,  on why I shouldn't save =A335 and get an apollo 1260/50
accelerator rather than the blizzard one=2E

Any comments appreciated=2E

Cheers,

*MO*

I don't know if this is of any help, but I had the same problem when I first
purchased the Micronik ZII board. Have you tried it with the Apollo out
(just to get the bootup screen) as it was the conflicting addresses of the
ZII board and the Apollo causing my problems. 

Don't forget if you have a graphics cards attached to it you'll need a Video
Adaptor (I know it seems obvious - but I forgot about this)

Cheers

Darren


<tsb>
Hi all.
Has any one had any problems with a Z4 bus board.I cant get mine to work
at all I dont even get a early boot up screen.I have tried it with
another
MB and still no joy.Has any been run 3.0 roms I have 3.1s on order
hoping 
this will make the difference.I dont want to send it back if its
something 
Im doing wrong.

Thanks in advance

Steve

A1200t  1d4 fixed
040@25 Apollo
6.4 hd



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Regards

Hi Wesley

> > Has anyone ever pressed eject on a CD-ROM drive, only for the tray to
open
> > instantly with the CD still spinning around like a ninja's shuriken?
> > Scary, I'll tell ya.
>
> It's happened to me !!! On the Windoze box, usually after a dodgily
pressed
> disc has been in it for ten minutes doing naff all and I press the button
> in frustration

Come to think of it, has anyone tried pushing a pin in the eject hole while
a CD's been spinning?

Tatty byes
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This week's lie: Ikea are the first company in the UK to offer employees
company mules with which to commute to work on.

Hello,

Using Blitz or another BASIC (I ain't messing with C :) is it possible for
me to detect when someone else is trying to get through on the phone and may
be flash the screen or something?

I notice that when someone tries to get trhough when I am on the VOICE phone
it makes a beeping noise (which incidentally pishes me right off :) but i
don't hear this with the Modem. Can I monitor the line for this beep and
then send a signal to my program to DisplayBeep_() ?

Thanx.

cYa!
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darren silcock <darre-@d-m-s.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=35910
> I don't know if this is of any help
snip
, but I had the same problem when I first
> purchased the Micronik ZII board Have you tried it with the Apollo out
> (just to get the bootup screen) as it was the conflicting addresses
of the
> ZII board and the Apollo causing my problems. 
> > Don't forget if you have a graphics cards attached to it you'll
need a Video
> Adaptor (I know it seems obvious - but I forgot about this)snip

> 
thanks Darren  tried all this and tons more,must be a duff z4
board,Power will
change it no probs

> 
Cheers

Steve

phil sell <pg.sel-@ukonline.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=35845
> > > > 6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510
>

> All very well but according to my notes the C4D code above is missing
a
> number!
Yep, there's a 1 missing.

mail ya
maarten

*Hello Mark*

*On 07-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] Buying an '060 accelerator, so here's my reply..*

> I'm thinking of upgrading my 030 to an 060. Can anyone give me some
> advice, performance wise, on why I shouldn't save 35 and get an apollo
> 1260/50 accelerator rather than the blizzard one.

I did exactly the same a couple of months ago, and I've never looked back
since. I advertised on here first for someone with a second hand Blizzard
1260/50 for sale and I found one (Mark Smith is still on this list i think
;)

As for the Apollo/Blizzard thing, I think the Blizzard is faster, allows you
to fit a SCSI-II kit to it, giving you access to SCSI HD's and stuff, aloows
you a maximum of 192Mb RAM (with the SCSI-II kit installed) AND allows you
to disable it by holding down 2 when you reboot.

It is also capable of storing ROM images in Fast RAM (dunno whether the
Apollo does this or not though). In short, get the Blizzard..

and don't worry when you see weird copper effects when you plug it in and
boot up, it just tells you that its working correctly ;)

*bYe nOw!*
*GazChap.*
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Hi Alex,

(Good name by the way)


> Dear All Folks,
> 
> As Ben Vost told us Power have stock of OS3.5 and I ordered one from
them.
> They charged my card on 30-OCT-1999, and will send it via AirMail. As
of
> today 6-NOVE-1999 I haven't receive it.
> 
> Does anyone have any problem with Power or some problem with UK Postal
> service??
> 
> I hardly to wait for it coming and install on my A2K!! :>
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alex
> -- 

I have used Power many times and have never had a problem. I ordered OS
3.5
and received it next day. The UK postal service is ok. Don"t know where
you live
but once it has to go by air mail you may have to wait a couple of
weeks. I  
sent a parcel to the Western Isles (off Scotland) and it took four days
and i live in
Scotland.

See Ya

Alex Paton

Hi all,

My printer has just stopped responding to commands from the A1200.
The self test works, and the same symptoms apply to another printer
I've got.

This leads me to assume it is either the parallel port or the cable
which is the problem.

Seeing as I can use a scanner in the port, I expect it is the cable
which is the problem, but I can't be sure.

So, does anyone know of a way of checking all the pins are working
okay in the parallel port?

Thanks for any advice

Paul C, concerned
-- 

posted: 07-11-99
Does anyone know how to read pc-formatted cd-rewritables on my Amiga?
Is there a mount-list or so that can do this?

I want to be able to transfer files from my pc to my Amiga, so my
thought was
to write the files to my cd-rewritable on the pc and read them on my
Amiga,
but apparently it isn't as simple as that. Is it at all possible?

Ted.

/*Thank You Primo Busancano For Your Email Dated 06-Nov-99*/
> Hello,
>  Can some one please set my mind at rest? I have just taken delivery
> of the new 3.5 O.S from Epic.And I'm some what causious about loading
> it up because I'm afraid it will upset my  existing set up. Some of
> you will say "what the h*ll did you buy it for?" Well I'd like to up
> grade my WB and help support Amiga.So will it upset any of the
> following,all on WB.
> In WB start up:TurboStart and Net connect.
> In Prefs I have  IDEFXprefs,Mime prefs,Turbo prefs and cdfs prefs.
> In my second partition (I have only two) I have paint progs,word
> prossesor etc etc.
> So  can someone set my mind at rest and give me a simple answer?

Well, not too put too fine a point on it, I have had some probs with my
machine. I had to repart my hd for a start. OS3.5 needs about 20mb to
install, and my drive had a 19mb part. DOH! 
It seems to all be working fine atm. I'd make sure you have upto date
backups first tho. I'm glad I did! :-)
I know others on this list have mentioned their probs with 3.5. It is worth
it afterwards tho, trust me :-)

Is it me, or is screen changing now quicker with 3.5? Anyone else noticed
this?

If you want some help, feel free to mail me. 
<tsb>
 
                     JINKY              
      ***********************************
      Infinitiv A1300 ZII PIV + Conceirto           
             CTX 15" Trinitron SVGA                        
      GI-Quatro - HD - CD-ROM - Atapi ZIP       
         Blizzard 1230IV + FPU + 32MB          
               Pace 56k (V.90)                  
           Epson Stylus Photo 700             
      *********************************** 
                /OS 3.5 Powered!/      
                                     
 "Bother," said Pooh, as he got trapped in the printer.

  
  

/*Thank You Wesley Potter For Your Email Dated 06-Nov-99*/
 
> It stands for Originating Equipment Manufacturer and it is for people who
> build PC's for a living (and for fun if there is such a thing) so they
> don't have lots of empty boxes lying around hope that helps

I take it, that it's the same for s/w you buy? No box, but what about the
manual?  
<tsb>

                     JINKY              
      ***********************************
      Infinitiv A1300 ZII PIV + Conceirto           
             CTX 15" Trinitron SVGA                        
      GI-Quatro - HD - CD-ROM - Atapi ZIP       
         Blizzard 1230IV + FPU + 32MB          
               Pace 56k (V.90)                  
           Epson Stylus Photo 700             
      *********************************** 
                /OS 3.5 Powered!/      
                                     
 "Bother," said Pooh, as his 'B' sample tested positive.

  
  

The name's Griffiths, Gareth Griffiths, licence to email.

> I notice that when someone tries to get trhough when I am on the VOICE phone
> it makes a beeping noise

I take it you pay BT for Call Waiting, then?

> (which incidentally pishes me right off :)

Yep, a perfectly good reason to stop paying for it, IMO.

> but i don't hear this with the Modem.

Because the speaker is turned off, probably. I think, but I'm not
sure, that if you do get this beep it will interfere with data
transmission and cause your modem to drop the line. I think that's
what happened to me a couple of times.

> Can I monitor the line for this beep and
> then send a signal to my program to DisplayBeep_() ?

Not neccessary, the modem will automatically disconnect when it hears
it.

Paul C, who may actually be talking out of his rear orifice
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       Solution: "Almost replaced left inside main tire."
    2)  Problem: "Test flight OK, except autoland very rough."
       Solution: "Autoland not installed on this aircraft."
    3)  Problem: "Evidence of hydraulic leak on right main landing gear."
       Solution: "Evidence removed."

Hello Paul

On 07-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Seeing as I can use a scanner in the port, I expect it is the cable
> which is the problem, but I can't be sure.

  Yes, you can; either change it to see it if works fine, or just open both
plugs ( removing the screws and then the plastic covers ) to make sure each
soldering is ok. I know it seems stupid, but I often accused the printer or 
the parallel port until I found out that a wire had been torn off inside the
plug, after removing and plugging it again too often.  

Hope it will be as simple as that!

Patrice
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 - That says their pension is not what it should have been.

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The following was added to the ships log:- [afb] Re: watch it!



> 
> On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Patrice Champarou wrote:
> 
> >   Anyway, I'm pretty sure Mash was trying to trap someone. That one was
> > already in 'Sabrina online' three years ago :)
> 
> :-) unless they really DID mean Amiga watches - like the timepiece they
> sell on www.amiga.com :-)

Yes I have one, and unlike my miggy it keeps perfect time. Having said
that I never wear it, call it a collectors item I suppose because i'll
never wear it for everyday use.

Hi Andy
Somewhere around 06-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: free
pop3 mail

>>> There's always Free4all, you get the choices of:

>> I'll wait for you to fix the YAM problem first :)

> We fixed it a while ago :-p

It would have been nice if you had told us!!!! I hope you don't just mean
the rexx script? 'tis slow at filtering 300 messages you know ;)

Mash - 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Im a doctor, not a taylor dammit! -- Bones from Sat. Nite Live!

On 07-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

>> full stop? Y' know, that little dot thing you use to end sentances fully?

> or 'period' in yanky talk  ;-)

You can only end a sentance once a month though 8)

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Oxymoron: De-install.

On 07-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

>> 'tis easier now. Plus you can buy the I-Files, a CD packed with tutorials
>> and stuff, very nice, might buy it soon

> trouble with the I-Files is the PC-recorded demos...you need a PC to
> play them back on. 

wtf's a pc recorded demo?

Mash - 
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Liberal today, Borg tomorrow.

On 14-Feb-37, Wesley Potter wrote:

> No it's because their made in Sweden where its dark all the time :)
> Regards

wow!, nice timezone you have there. Whats it like in 2037 ??

Mash - 
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Confucius say: House without toilet is uncanny.

On 06-Nov-99, Alex Furmanski wrote:

> Has anyone ever pressed eject on a CD-ROM drive, only for the tray to open
> instantly with the CD still spinning around like a ninja's shuriken?
> Scary, I'll tell ya.

No, but my playstation goes mental when I put fifa '96 in. after 10 seconds,
the drive speeds up to phenominal speeds (rrrrrrrrreaaaly loud!) and if you
open the cover you feel a breeze

Mash - spinning
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

"It's better than lying there counting people, right?"-Radar to lamb

On 07-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

>>> A1200 - Ez-Tower
>> 50

> 50 for the A1200 and 50 for the tower  100

forgot about the mobo ;)

>>> Pace 56k External Modem
>> 60

> 40                                      40

but pace...It's a branded one, not a cheapo off the shelf crappy thing with
no power button...
            
>> 310 quid. In fact you could buy all that brand new for cheaper than
>> that...

> 450. maybe 500 max 

I'd say 450 absolute top, excluding postage

Mash - 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

"Training human cogs for the machine ...." -Floyd

Hi

Hey, I just noticed the latest powerC ad which is offering (right under the
mouse adaptor) something to make the wheel work, is this the new version,
or just a disk with NewMouse on it?

Mash
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Prunes give you a run for your money.

Hi Alan

> > (with a 1 in a zillion - trillion chance of finding the key,
apparently!)
>
> didnt do any blocks yesterday then, huh? :-)

It`s amazing what a few blocks can do. ;-)
The odds are now slightly better at 1 in 341,226 :-|

BTW, would someone mind printing a (very simple to understand) explanation
to convince my Dad that running the client on his PC offers absolutely no
potential virus situation (that is the case isn`t it?).

> alan

Cheers
Jon

From: Mash, 06 November 1999 17:32

> > there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl have
> > asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> > 6110502929-397A7 and the no for magiclink is 911938879510
> > i hope that help's ppl
>
> Umm, the C4D should have a couple more numbers....oh, and do you know what
> asbestos is?
>
> Mash -
> --

Arrgh.  Oh no, someone please help!!!

I am a loyal, devote Amiga owner.  To support the future of Amiga I bought
OS 3.5.  I followed the instructions but my Workbench partition was too
small, so I had to fiddle with Work too, and something went horribly wrong.
I have lost my partition and have had to reinstall everything from scratch
:-(

Including Cinema 4D.

The only problem is that I cannot find the piece of paper that I wrote the
serial no.s down on, so I would be really grateful if some kind person on
this would e-mail me the serial no.s

And please include the magic link no. too cos I have lots of Lightwave
objects to convert.

Thank you

Jon (big cheesy grin 8-D)

I've just been looking at the website for Cog, a research project into
artificial intelligence at MIT. In order to gain insights into human
intelligence the boffins at MIT have built a robotic torso (that bears a
disturbing resemblance to C3PO) and have given it different sensory inputs
(vision, proprioceptors in the joints. Hearing and touch will be
implemented later). They are hoping that it will learn to control its
"body" through interactions with the environment.

What does this have to do with the Amiga? Erm, nothing directly. But I was
interested to see what kind of processing power they'd given this robot.
It seems that they're using QNX!

The URL is:

http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/cog/ComputationalSystem/computational_system.html


Mark_H

P.S. I'm not trying to start up another QNX vs. Linux row - I don't know
much about either of them. All I want from a future machine or OS is one
that is as nice to use as my Amiga is now, but without the limitations
that my current Amiga has. I'd also quite like the moon on a stick.

According to Patrice, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: Parallel Port Problems=2E

> > Seeing as I can use a scanner in the port, I expect it is the cable
> > which is the problem, but I can't be sure=2E

>   Yes, you can; either change it to see it if works fine,

Trouble is, I only 'borrowed' the scanner a couple of weeks ago, and
the results have always been really dreadful=2E I don't know if it's
just the scanner, or perhaps one of the pins in the parallel port
isn't working (but not a vital one)=2E

> or just open both plugs ( removing the screws and then the plastic
> covers ) to make sure each soldering is ok=2E

I looked in the printer cable, it all looks okay - no loose wires=2E But
I suppose it could have shorted when I swapped it with the scanner and
sparks flew! I'm just hoping it's the cable that is wrong - I can
afford =A35=2E

> I know it seems stupid, but I often accused the printer or=20
> the parallel port until I found out that a wire had been torn off
> inside the plug, after removing and plugging it again too often=2E=20=20
> Hope it will be as simple as that!

Not quite, but I think I'll buy a new cable tomorrow and see if
they'll give a refund if it's not that=2E Except that'll never happen :/

> Patrice

Paul C, with years and years
--=20
=2E=2E=2E "OK Mom, I'm going to hypnotize you now," said Tom transparently=
=2E

Hello Oliver

On 07-Nov-99, Oliver Roberts wrote:
> On 06-Nov-99 11:49:38 GMT, Alex wrote:
> 
>> As Ben Vost told us Power have stock of OS3.5 and I ordered one from
>> them. They charged my card on 30-OCT-1999, and will send it via AirMail.
>> As of today 6-NOVE-1999 I haven't receive it.
> 
> Give the posties a chance :)  Chances are, Power despatched your item at
> the beginning of the week.  You didn't mention which country you are
> in... if you're in Europe then it shouldn't take more than 2-4 days to
> arrive - elsewhere allow 4-5 days (read, 1 week max).  In short, if you
> don't receive it by the end the coming week, then that's the time to
> start worrying.
> 
> You did ask Power if they had any OS 3.5 stock left didn't you?
> They might have sold out by the time you ordered (30 October?).

Of course I did ask them if OS3.5 is in stock or not. The lady told me it's
in stock and I ordered it right away. However if they dont have it in stock
then why they charged my card on 30-10-99??? Anyway I hope can receive it
soon! I am from HONG KONG

I am also wondering how many OS3.5 being ordered, in a matter of fact I
still waiting for my NetConnectV3 Upgrade coming too :>

Anyone using NewsRog? Is it good?? I am using MicroDot and I dont seem like
it at all, Thanx to everyone on the AFB List cause it's very helping and
informative!

Best Regards,

Alex

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Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

> assign manager (a central prefs program and also enable you to select a
> volume/directory when a 'please insert requester' comes up)

Yep, good idea (although the MCP one works fine here).

Also, a Path manager. Not quite as useful, but pretty handy at times.


Neil
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*Hello Matthew*

*On 07-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] Re: manky miggy, so here's my reply..*
> 
> No, but my playstation goes mental when I put fifa '96 in. after 10
> seconds, the drive speeds up to phenominal speeds (rrrrrrrrreaaaly loud!)
> and if you open the cover you feel a breeze

:) i remember reading somewhere about some guy who claimed to have removed
the CD drive from his playstation and replaced it with a 24x one from his
PC. Haha. He was laughed straight ou of the magazine he was :)

Theoreticaly it would be possible, but you'd have to have a helluva lot of
knowledge on the internals of the PSX and all that ;)

And if he was using copied games, it would've buggered all that up :)

*bYe nOw!*
*GazChap.*
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Save your breath for your inflatable date.

ted_van_geest said, 

> Does anyone know how to read pc-formatted cd-rewritables on my Amiga?
> Is there a mount-list or so that can do this?

If your PC is writing them in Joliet format (almost certainly the
default) you'll need either CacheCDFS (in IDEfix or OS 3.5) or AsimCDFS
to read them. Alternatively, set the PC to create Rockridge format CDs,
in which case any decent Amiga CD filesystem can read them.


Neil
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Hi peeps,

Does anyone know why my second floppy drive (DF1:) still clicks, even
though I've told it not to through MCP. It works okay for DF0, but not
this one.

It is a pretty old one I 'stole' from my brother, but I wouldn't have
thought that should be a problem.

Ta.

Paul C, quite irritated
-- 

Howdy peeps,

I seem to remember people saying you couldn't visit the BT website
because it relied on Javascript. Well you can.

http://www.bt.com/nonjava/

Now, bow to the master ;)

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    A. The coffin has the corpse *inside*.

Howdy Matthew

On 07-Nov-99, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

MO> On 06-Nov-99, Alex Furmanski wrote:

MO>>  Has anyone ever pressed eject on a CD-ROM drive, only for the tray to
MO>>  open instantly with the CD still spinning around like a ninja's
MO>>  shuriken? Scary, I'll tell ya.

MO> No, but my playstation goes mental when I put fifa '96 in. after 10
MO> seconds, the drive speeds up to phenominal speeds (rrrrrrrrreaaaly
loud!)
MO> and if you open the cover you feel a breeze

The psx does this when it recognises the game.. It slows down again just
after.. If not then it is faulty..

mark
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Howdy Gareth

On 07-Nov-99, Gareth Griffiths wrote:

GG> *Hello Matthew*

GG> *On 07-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] Re: manky miggy, so here's my
GG> reply..*

GG>>  No, but my playstation goes mental when I put fifa '96 in. after 10
GG>>  seconds, the drive speeds up to phenominal speeds (rrrrrrrrreaaaly
GG>>  loud!) and if you open the cover you feel a breeze

GG> :) i remember reading somewhere about some guy who claimed to have
GG> removed the CD drive from his playstation and replaced it with a 24x one
GG> from his PC. Haha. He was laughed straight ou of the magazine he was :)

GG> Theoreticaly it would be possible, but you'd have to have a helluva lot
GG> of knowledge on the internals of the PSX and all that ;)

This isn't possible because the drive in the PSX is a custom drive made by
sony (afaik) it is a max 2xspeed. Even if you could put a 24x drive in the
PSX would still only read it at 2x :/

GG> And if he was using copied games, it would've buggered all that up :)

Not really.. If it worked for originals it'd work for copies, if he has a
mod-chip/replay cartridge!!

Cya

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On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 11:23:09PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> If your PC is writing them in Joliet format (almost certainly the
> default) you'll need either CacheCDFS (in IDEfix or OS 3.5) or AsimCDFS
> to read them. Alternatively, set the PC to create Rockridge format CDs,
> in which case any decent Amiga CD filesystem can read them.

Hmm - do CD-RWs use UDF?

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 Dated:  Sunday, 07-Nov-99, 06:15:22
 About:  [afb] Re: 3.5 wishlist 


Hello Oliver,

> I've just got rid of MCP as it is not working very well with OS3.5.
> One thing I really miss is some sort of Assign manager, I think this
> should be a part of the OS. And maybe they could include a small
> commodity that does things like doubleclicktofront, noclick for floppy
> drives etc. in a system legal fashion.......

Awww cripes, are we still stuck with that stupid drive clicking?  Of all
the dumb things!  It's not only annoying, but wears out the drive
prematurely (you're not even getting active use out of this activity).

Bye,
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 Dated:  Saturday, 06-Nov-99, 02:28:44
 About:  [afb] Re: windows font text in mails 


Hello M.,

>>> Damn, it isn't. You can talk anyway, with your mailer set 
>>> to US-ASCII
 
>> ;-) at least its a simple ISO ascii set. okay, i'll try to change
>> that too :-)

>
ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/CP1252.TXT
> 
> It's on the Unicode site. What can I say?
> 
> Either way, it's YOUR mailer that has the problem. It should just
> ignore the charset and display as normal, throwing errors up is no way
> to act!

Well no, being informed that there's likely to be a fault in the text
rendering is probably good, if annoying.

For what it's worth neither of you two's messages appear to have any
problems on my reader (YAM 2.0).  That'd most likely be different,
though, if you typed any characters other than the usual typographical
ones.  YAM has character conversion ability (supposedly), not that I'd
figured out what it does if not specifically told to do it, but the
Windows 1252 character set encoding doesn't appear to be amongst the
supported ones.

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 Dated:  Saturday, 06-Nov-99, 08:24:35
 About:  [afb] How to fart on a christmas tree (was: this subject will  
         annoy Ben alot) 


Hello Matthew,

>>> I said proportional.  You know what that means? 
 
>> Yeh, but whenever I say proportional, and don't mean directly
>> proportional, I get corrected.

In this case, it is directly, and it isn't directly.  The basic formalae
says it is directly, but there are enough of other influencing factors,
for you to be correct in just saying proportional.

You'll find a lot of things that teachers go nuts about are irrelevent
(like putting the figure for ohms at the end of a calculation working
out resistors, when asked what the resistance is.  Someone in the real
trade might say 30k (not bothering to put 30 kilo ohms).

Or for a real world exercise, watch a TV tech fix a tv set with little
more than a screwdriver and soldering iron.  He hits the circuits with
the screwdriver, until he finds the dodgy component (converting an
intermittent fault into permanent fault).  This guy fixes three or four
sets in the same time as an engineer fixes one.

>>>> -curry, hoping noone notices he's a student and should know
>>>> better...
 
>>> Tim - Electronics Engineer, in the real world.
 
>> -curry, wondering what the real world is.

Where you end up outside of school.  ;-)

> Ok, no-one has actually answered the question yet, think 8-year old
> kid who's a bit thick, now start again :)

You are a true vulgarian.
 
> Mash - not wanting to die via amiga

Tim inserts an XT into you, somewhere unmentionable.

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 Dated:  Friday, 05-Nov-99, 22:27:50
 About:  [afb] Re: Just what does it mean? - Was: Miami confusion. =



Hello Danny,

>> which tells you that the OEM of Miami could not becompleted in time
>> and that an upgrade to the OEM version will be made available via the
>> Internet.
 =

> Just a little thing that's been bugging me for a while, what does OEM
> actually stand for and why do companies do it? For instance, a
> motherboard would have cost me =A3120 retail box but I got it for =A360=

> OEM. All that was missing was the pretty box.

Working out what OEM is can be a bit of a wild guess.  Most people think
it's Original Equipment Manufacturer, other people say it means Other
Equipment Manufacturer (non-original).  Which means that it gets used
for both meanings.  And before anybody flames me, it DOES get used both
ways.

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 Dated:  Saturday, 06-Nov-99, 09:01:05
 About:  [afb] Re: Using Root to login. 


Hello Gareth,

> Assuming you are using AmIRC, there should be a string gadget on the
> main window when you first load it (where you select your server)
> called Username. If this is ghosted then deselect the Use IdentD
> checkbox. This string gadget is where the IRC server gets your
> username from (its probably set to 'root') so you will need to change
> it here.
>
> You may have to opt to not load IdentD in GENESiSPrefs (I don't think
> there is a seperate option, i think you just deslect Load InetD or
> something)

I didn't have that problem (because I don't have a ROOT user), but I was
trying to figure out the IDentD thingy in AmIRC (the tickbox on mine
was permanently ghosted out).

I temporarily deactived the auth service in InetD (I use Miami, by the
way), then AmIRC allowed me to change the setting in that tickbox.  If
you have an IDent (auth) service already running, AmIRC will use it,
and won't let you use it's own.

I've only briefly looked at Genesis and AmiTCP, both are nasty pieces of
work.  But I wonder this:  Is there somewhere you select the user that
you log on with, from the list of possible entries in the user
database?

Bye,
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 Dated:  Sunday, 07-Nov-99, 05:28:30
 About:  [afb] Re: No Subject 


Hello maartend@dds.nl,

> Thanks, that must be the one. I never new '.' was a full stop.

>> Excuse me but, unless you're both kidding, why can't it be
>> the key with a full stop on it, i.e. THAT '.'  ?

It depends where you are from as to what you call it.  Americans call it
a period, English a full stop.

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 Dated:  Monday, 08-Nov-99, 06:40:50
 About:  [afb] Reading pc formatted cd re-writables 


Hello Ted,

> Does anyone know how to read pc-formatted cd-rewritables on my Amiga?
> Is there a mount-list or so that can do this?

There are a few problems.  Your drive may not be able to read a
re-writeable (physically).  Your file system may not be able to either.
 And re-writeables have a few different (non-standard) ways of being
created.

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 Dated:  Monday, 08-Nov-99, 03:19:14
 About:  [afb] Call Waiting :) 


Hello Gareth,

> Using Blitz or another BASIC (I ain't messing with C :) is it possible
> for me to detect when someone else is trying to get through on the
> phone and may be flash the screen or something?
> 
> I notice that when someone tries to get trhough when I am on the VOICE
> phone it makes a beeping noise (which incidentally pishes me right off
> :) but i don't hear this with the Modem. Can I monitor the line for
> this beep and then send a signal to my program to DisplayBeep_() ?

Not with that system of call waiting.  Very few MODEMs will keep the
connection when being interrupted by a foreign noise on the line, and
even if you can get yours to, chances are the ISP will give up in
disgust.

All of that precludes doing something to detect the beep and act upon
it.  Which is why true computer nerds often have a second phone line. 
Alternatively, some phone companies are now offering a service where
you run a voice mail system at the phone company to instantly grab
incoming calls when the line is busy, and an internet interface (some
form of notification to you that you've got a message, probably e-mail;
and a method to listen to the message as a wave file on the computer). 
The next step is internet telephony, which can be done between one
person on the internet, and the other person using the ordinary phone
system.

Bye,
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 Dated:  Monday, 08-Nov-99, 10:10:48
 About:  [afb] Clickety click 


Hello Paul,

> Does anyone know why my second floppy drive (DF1:) still clicks, even
> though I've told it not to through MCP. It works okay for DF0, but not
> this one.
> 
> It is a pretty old one I 'stole' from my brother, but I wouldn't have
> thought that should be a problem.

Not all drives support shutting of the click (they still do it, or won't
read disks once you do that).

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On 07-Nov-99 15:12:48, Matthew O'Neill (mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:

>>> I'll wait for you to fix the YAM problem first :)

>> We fixed it a while ago :-p

>I hope you don't just mean the rexx script?

Nope, we have changed the POP3 server, and the new one doesn't add that
annoying extra header.


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> On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Matt Sealey wrote:
> 
> > The wishlist has been updated. Many wishes added, some removed.
> > http://www.neko.u-net.com/35wish.html
> > Now with pictures! Three of the wishes have pictures attached to
> > explain them. Check it out!
> 
> by the way, its almost looking like a 3.6 featurelist 
> now...rather than just patch/update :-) 

Ah, really it isn't. I'm trying to cut back on big new features
being added. All the things there are things that really should
have been in there anyway. I have a feeling that there may just
not have been enough time..

> wrt workbench multithreading - that'll require new ROM's

Why? The Workbench functionality is completely disk based
in 3.5..

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> Hi,
> 
> I'm replying to this in THE worst mood I've been in for ages, so I'm
> not resposible for anything I might say, right?

Okay ;)
 
> > can ONLY be altered by rebooting the machine, because they ONLY get
> > read and acted upon on STARTUP.
> 
> That's as may be, but some programs just don't give you the option to
> reboot, they just make you, or just tell you that it's going 
> to happen, and this should NOT be the case on a server.

Err... 

> > It's plainly obvious they *DO* need to reboot - if you 
> > understand how Windows does things.
> 
> Yeah, well windows has a f**king stupid way of doing things
> anyway.

Technically, the way Windows does things is rather sound. It hardly
works, but it's technically a good way to do things.

TECHNICALLY

> > > 1) Today, we (that's me and my dad, the IT Technician I'm 
> > > working with :) server room, and logged on. Ran Word to see
> > > if it still crashed when opening the 'Open File' dialog box,
> 
> > Why are you running Word on the server?
> 
> Because we use the machine as workstation, rather than using 
> it remotely through another machine.

Err... why are you running Word on a server?

You don't run Word on a server.. you certainly don't use 

> > > I honestly can't see something like this happening on an Amiga.
> 
> > I can.
> 
> Good for you.

:)
 
> > > 2) Also today, we were going round all 150 machines, 
> > > installing software on them all. We went into room after room,
> > > turning on the machines, installing and turning them off again.
> 
> > You're working in a shithole! Nobody does that anymore. Even
> > the college I used to be at had an automatic software-update
> > system!
> 
> You too are working in a shithole. I know nothing about the place you
> work, and nothing about the people who work there, but it must be
> a shithole because I say so </Sealey Mode>

Hey, I get paid to *work* with this stuff every day, work-experience-boy!

The places I've been where I didn't get paid for it (at college)
even had software installation systems - you install the software
on a test machine, put the files on a server, and they propagate
when the system starts up.

> > > which someone had got access to control panel, and 
> > > changed the font settings. Not only can the default
> > > settings not be restored 
> 
> > *sigh*, were you logged in as the administrator?
> 
> why?

Assuming that you're either using NT or Windows98 with Group Policies
enabled (and active - you *DO* have security set up don't you?) you'd
need to log in as the local administrator of the machine to actually
change settings, otherwise the GP stops the system saving them. It's
like turing all the Save buttons into Use ones.

> > The easy option is to fix the problem. I must have about 3
> > books here that tell me how to change default settings on
> > Windows 95, 98, NT4 and 2000.
> 
> So? I don't have to have the same books as you do I? You say the
> easy option is to fix the problem. Isn't that what we did? 

By reinstalling? No.
 
> > > really do anything), which we'll have to write to the
> > > offending hard disk tomorrow. Oh, I forgot. Someone's
> > > using that room tomorrow :)
> 
> > That's your problem.
> 
> If you have nothing to say which is constructive, then shut the
> f**k up!

Hey, room bookings take priority over systems maintenance. If that
room was booked

Come on, Neil, I do what you're doing (did?) there EVERY DAY.
You're moaning about stuff that you'll eventually learn isn't
worth moaning about.

i.e. Windows being lame, Microsoft being dominant (not for long :)
systems being set up wrong (not *our* systems, but Physics and MCS
and Geology all have servers which they maintain - badly IMO) and
room timetables.

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> Hi M.
> Somewhere around 04-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about 
> [afb] Re: OS3.5
> Service Pack 1 - Wish List
> 
> > Apart from the fact that VMM is buggy, unstable, and fails to work
> > even on the most clean and happy Amigas, you mean?
> 
> And now for the translation......
> 
> "/My system is so screwed up that VMM wouldn't work, I wish I could be
> bothered to clean it up a bit.../:("

LOL! that's about right. I actually have some programs installed that
use the MMU (muForce, muFastROM blah blah blah) and VMM doesn't like
them. Forgive me for wanting a stable system, using a friendly MMU
library rather than hacking at the page tables ;)
 
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> >> So what happens if Miami tries to call an LVO that only exists in
> >> version 44 of workbench.library?
> >> 
> >> Yep, Bang! ;)
> > 
> > That's rather mean, and rather bad programming practice.
> 
> There's nothing mean about it, nor is it a bad programming 
> practice. The whole reason you must specify a version when
> calling OpenLibrary() is to ensure that the application
> doesn't crash when it encounters an older version of that
> library.

Calling an LVO that is in the v44 workbench.library when
Miami needn't ever call one *is* mean, and is bad programming
practice ;)

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> Hello Matt,
> 
> I've just got rid of MCP as it is not working very well with 
> OS3.5. One thing I really miss is some sort of Assign manager,

There are loads on Aminet.

> I think this should be a part of the OS.

Okay.

> And maybe they could include a small commodity that does things
> like doubleclicktofront,

That's a bit of a hack IIRC..

> noclick for floppy drives etc. in a system legal fashion.

You can do noclick through MCP, it works on my system anyway.

Then again, I only have 5 functions enabled ;)

(Hotkeys, QuickLayers, Change WBTitle, Pubmodes, Trackdisk prefs)

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hi,

> I'm thinking of upgrading my 030 to an 060. Can anyone give me some advic=
e,
> performance wise,  on why I shouldn't save =A335 and get an apollo 1260/5=
0
> accelerator rather than the blizzard one.

:-) well, it depends upon how well the 060 is implemented and the local
memory access BUS performance...have you looked for any benchmark
modules for the 2 cards?

alan

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 maartend@dds.nl wrote:

> Yep, there's a 1 missing.

cheers, thats great...now pirates are just going to stick a 1 in the 15
possible locations :-|

alan

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 ted_van_geest@hetnet.nl wrote:

> posted: 07-11-99
> Does anyone know how to read pc-formatted cd-rewritables on my Amiga?
> Is there a mount-list or so that can do this?
> 
> I want to be able to transfer files from my pc to my Amiga, so my
> thought was
> to write the files to my cd-rewritable on the pc and read them on my
> Amiga,
> but apparently it isn't as simple as that. Is it at all possible?

if the CD is is09660 with or without Joliet, then sure, you can read a
'PC formatted' CROM .

however, its probably actually the MEDIA that is causing you grief. in
not too many words, CDRW are notorious for not being readable in normal
CDROM drives. I dont like CDRW and avoid them at all times.

alan

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> wtf's a pc recorded demo?

they use a tool on the PC to record the mouse movementsand clicks etc
and screen brabbing and use custom software to play it back. the results
are very good though -> I learnt how to make an organic growth in
Imagine this way

alan

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Hey, I just noticed the latest powerC ad which is offering (right under the
> mouse adaptor) something to make the wheel work, is this the new version,
> or just a disk with NewMouse on it?

no, its the wheelmouse version. iirc anyone without such support can get
theirs upgraded for 'free' (i think P&P isnt covered)

alan

hi,

> BTW, would someone mind printing a (very simple to understand) explanation
> to convince my Dad that running the client on his PC offers absolutely no
> potential virus situation (that is the case isn`t it?).

Theres not much to print or write about this. The RC5-64 client (rc5des)
is a secure client which contains no virus and it just runs for as long
as you let it run. Sure, its not a productivity application, but its
doing real CPU work at the best rate that it can (unlike SETI, which is
alluring, but wastes a lot of CPU time :-( ). My recommendation is to
get the latest RC5-64 client from the d.net site. And if there is ANY
worry about it 'getting a virus for the machine' when it connects, then
dont let the client use its networking ability (and just send and
receive blocks via email instead - details on the web site)

alan 

On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Mark wrote:

> What does this have to do with the Amiga? Erm, nothing directly. But I was
> interested to see what kind of processing power they'd given this robot.
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> It seems that they're using QNX!
                              ^^^

so, what processing power are they using? QNX is an OS, not a CPU ;-)

alan

On 7 Nov 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Yep, good idea (although the MCP one works fine here).

I've had to stop using MCP because of bugs
 
> Also, a Path manager. Not quite as useful, but pretty handy at times.

that'd be good

alan

Anyone have any ideas why my Miggy could be crashing on boot-up because
the mouse pointer is in the default top left-hand corner? It is driving
me insane!!

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On 7 Nov 1999, Paul Cundle wrote:

> Howdy peeps,
> 
> I seem to remember people saying you couldn't visit the BT website
> because it relied on Javascript. Well you can.
> 
> http://www.bt.com/nonjava/
> 
> Now, bow to the master ;)

at last! they see sense!! ;-)

alan

Matthew Bloomfield wrote:
 
> Isn't the Ez-Tower just a PC case with a different back panel?
> If so can't you just toggle the 120/230 volt switch on the back of the
> PSU depending on what country you're in?  If it doesn't have a switch
> just by a new psu that does have one and fit it in your tower.  Should
> cost under 20UKP.  Then all you need is a mains lead.
> 
> I'm assuming the PSU can handle 60Hz as well as the lower voltage but
> if not just buy a PSU when you get to the states instead.  Probably be
> cheaper too.

PSUs are frequency independant. Afterall, they are supposed to deliver
pure DC to the computer (though they don't).
If David is intending to use a TV until he can buy a new monitor, the
early startup control can be used to switch to NTSC, or you can get TVs
which are capable of displaying both types of signal.

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>> Or, if you don't fancy messing with your user-startup, just copy WBC into
>> your WBStartup drawer...

> Hey!, I just noticed the cover CD isn't red again :D Maybe we'll get a
> blue one next month?

Next issue is the last 1999 one, so expect something similar. However, for
the new millinnium (or not) there'll be a nice change...

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Hi Tom,

> Seeing as it seems to be one of the unwritten policies of this list, I
> thought I may as well tell everyone that after being an AF reader for an
> almost consistant 5 years, I've actually gone and subscribed at last!  So
> you guys (Ben et al), to protect my investment you'ld better keep up the
> good work :)

Wahey! Well done Tom, now you can join in all those discussions about the
new issue a week before anyone else can and feel smug about doing so! :)

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> Next issue is the last 1999 one, so expect something similar.
However, for
> the new millinnium (or not) there'll be a nice change...

A massive 200-page issue? ;)

Paul

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oruk-amigan@excite.com wrote:
> <snipped>
> 
> This in my opinion is a good idea too, a case study would be MUI.  See
> how all the preferences for extended MCCs (I think that's what they
> are!) are all integrated in the prefs program with all the others.  It
> would make the Prefs system so much better.
> 
> Lets face  it, the Prefs drawer can get very busy.  But now I have
> re-installed 3.0 (in preparation for 3.5 (i.e.: reduce the hacks
> etc.)), I have made a 'Non-System' drawer for all non 3.0 system prefs,
> such as NewIconsPrefs, MCP etc.  I wouldn't need to do this if Ben's
> method was taken on-board.
>
I agree completely. It takes about 25 seconds for all the icons in my
Prefs draw to load up. Then add another 10 or 20 seconds to workout
where the prefs program I want is. The MUI way is muchly preferable
(pun?).
A `Big Prefs Program` is not nescessary - just a prefs program launcher
would do.

 
> Yours Nick.

-curry

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On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 amimjf@hotmail.com wrote:

> "jonathan day" <jonda-@totalise.co.uk> wrote: 
> 
> > > > > there has been alot of talk about cinema4d lately and many ppl
> have
> > > > > asked for the serail number. well the number for c4d is
> > > > > xxxxxxxxx-xxxx and the no for magiclink is xxxxxxx
> > > > > i hope that help's ppl
> > > >
> > > Sh**e and fan springs to mind!!!
> 
> > So, now I have the serial no.s, how`s about someone e-mailing me the
> proggy?
> > ;-)
> 
> Lets all join in,... kicking maxon (and legal reasons appart why not),
> anyone want me to uppload Maxon C++ ??

Not a very good idea.

> I am good at ducking...
> 
Really?

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"sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 

> Technically, the way Windows does things is rather sound. It hardly
> works, but it's technically a good way to do things.
> 
> TECHNICALLY

Fine. 


> The places I've been where I didn't get paid for it (at college)
> even had software installation systems - you install the software
> on a test machine, put the files on a server, and they propagate
> when the system starts up.

Yes, but you have to remember this is a high school. The kids are
no-where near as experienced at using the machines, and therefore, we
can take as long as we like to set things up. Our college has one of
these software installation systems. Just because this school doesn't,
it doesn't mean it's a shithole, it just does things the hard way.

> Assuming that you're either using NT or Windows98 with Group Policies
> enabled (and active - you *DO* have security set up don't you?) you'd

Yes :)

> need to log in as the local administrator of the machine to actually
> change settings, otherwise the GP stops the system saving them. It's
> like turing all the Save buttons into Use ones.

Ok :) Hold on, there's someone banging on the server room wall, just
off to tell them to bugger off...

> > So? I don't have to have the same books as you do I? You say the
> > easy option is to fix the problem. Isn't that what we did? 
> 
> By reinstalling? No.

We fixed the problem, but the hard way.

> Hey, room bookings take priority over systems maintenance. If that
> room was booked

Not here they don't. I can and have thrown people off when I've needed
to do something in a booked room.

Right, I'm off to the staff room for a break :)

Neil - posting on the website

Hi David,

> A1200 - Ez-Tower

> Before I am judged as a guy jumping ship I must say that I`m not. I have
> no choice about selling my beloved Amiga. In a few months time I will be
> living in America, and as we all know electrical goods from England won`t
> work over there so I gotta sell all my gear. Now why can`t the whole world

Doesn't the EZ-Tower have a switchable voltage power supply? If that's the
case you won't need to sell anything, and if you were serious about staying
with the Amiga after selling that lot, then why sell the software - it
doesn't care what voltage system you're operating on...

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the source code. (Even if /they/ did I don't program...)

Hiya ted_van_geest 

 On 07-Nov-99 20:10:50, you said:
>posted: 07-11-99
>Does anyone know how to read pc-formatted cd-rewritables on my Amiga?
>Is there a mount-list or so that can do this?

Something I found out from a web page after buying my CD-RW, you can only
read CD-RW disks in a CDRW drive.  You can read normal CDR's in any drive.
It's all to do with the reflectivity of disks. Approx 70% for an original,
60% for a CDR, 15% for a CDRW, only really new CDR's will be able to read
CDRW disks.  Or something :)

You may be having trouble with that.

Hope it helps,

Tom

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> > The places I've been where I didn't get paid for it (at college)
> > even had software installation systems - you install the software
> > on a test machine, put the files on a server, and they propagate
> > when the system starts up.
> 
> Yes, but you have to remember this is a high school. The kids are
> no-where near as experienced at using the machines, and therefore, we
> can take as long as we like to set things up. Our college has one of
> these software installation systems. Just because this school doesn't,
> it doesn't mean it's a shithole, it just does things the hard way.

Well.. okay. Maybe shithole is a bit to harsh. 

Masochistic Through Underfuning?
 
> > Hey, room bookings take priority over systems maintenance. If that
> > room was booked
> 
> Not here they don't. I can and have thrown people off when I've needed
> to do something in a booked room.

Well what's your problem then?

> Right, I'm off to the staff room for a break :)

Nutter! No tech in his right mind goes to the staff room! Don't you
have an office with a little fridge and a year's supply of chocolate
milkshake and ham salad baps? ;)
 
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Hi Matthew,

>> The point was why wasn't the subject updated? It had nothing to do with
>> the topic listed.

> And what did moaning about not changing subjects have to do with
> electricity eh?

Well duh. I left the subject as it was to illustrate the point.

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Want samples? Copyright free ones?
http://www.futurenet.com/samplenet/

Just to let you know, there is a new version of MCP
(it's actually a bit old now, but newer than the one
on Aminet anyway) which is a lot more system friendly
and has a COMPLETELY system friendly commodity version
albeit with lots of features unavailable.

If you're having problems with MCP and OS3.5, I suggest
you get the latest version and live without the features
that Michael has removed (the hacky hack hack ones) and
if you use the friendly commodity version cry because
only the really mundane ones are implemented ;)

http://www.aliendesign.net/programs/mcp/indexdow.html

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Hi Patrice,

>  I'd already asked why this sometimes happened, but now I know the Truth.
> Whenever the 200 daily limit has been reached, Yam pretends to send your
> mail to Afb but it never gets there at all! So if you can't find your own
> message back in the 'incoming' file, all you have to do is move it from
> 'sent' to 'outgoing' and wait until the next day. Don't know exactly what
> time...

YAM *does* send your message to afb, but eGroups sends me and the other
moderators mail saying "Daily limit has been reached" and the mail doesn't
go onto the list. The "daily limit" runs between 8AM-8AM GMT because
eGroups are based on the west coast of America and are at least 8 hours
behind us european types.

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Hi Matthew,

>> There is a general aura of evility that lingers around the whole of
>> Future...

> ummm......evility isn't in my dictionary.....yes I checked......

Nooo, you don't say? 

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Hi Primo,

> So  can someone set my mind at rest and give me a simple answer?

Yes. Install OS3.5 on a separate partition and when you are happy that it's
working, only boot from that one.

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  A. Timiney <XATIMINEY@knowles-hill.devon.sch.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Tuesday, 09-Nov-99, 05:43:13
 About:  [afb] Re: One Amiga 4 Sale 


Hello A.,

>> I'm assuming the PSU can handle 60Hz as well as the lower voltage but
>> if not just buy a PSU when you get to the states instead. Probably be
>> cheaper too.
 
> PSUs are frequency independant. Afterall, they are supposed to deliver
> pure DC to the computer (though they don't).

Well that (output) doesn't imply it can handle any type of input
current, *but* manufacturers like the idea of producing one power
supply that can be used world wide (instead of several different
models).  So if yours has a 110/240 Volt switch, then it can probably
handle 50 or 60 Hz mains too.  As a point of interest, 240 V mains is
often 50 Hz, and 110 V mains is often 60 Hz.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Tom Miles <tom@teknogrebo.freeserve.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Monday, 08-Nov-99, 09:28:47
 About:  [afb] Re: Reading pc formatted cd re-writables 


Hello Tom,

>> Does anyone know how to read pc-formatted cd-rewritables on my Amiga?
>> Is there a mount-list or so that can do this?
 
> Something I found out from a web page after buying my CD-RW, you can
> only read CD-RW disks in a CDRW drive. You can read normal CDR's in
> any drive. It's all to do with the reflectivity of disks. Approx 70%
> for an original, 60% for a CDR, 15% for a CDRW, only really new CDR's
> will be able to read CDRW disks. Or something :)

True, but some newer read-only drives can read them.  Conversely, I'd
doubt many older ones can.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Mark wrote:
> 
> > What does this have to do with the Amiga? Erm, nothing directly. But I was
> > interested to see what kind of processing power they'd given this robot.
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > It seems that they're using QNX!
>                               ^^^
> 
> so, what processing power are they using? QNX is an OS, not a CPU ;-)

I know that! I was checking the page that had details of the processors
they were using and it mentioned the OS as well :)

I think they're running QNX on 4 PCs.

Mark_H

Hi Alan,

> you obviously did not READ the message or the replies about this - OR
> the warning from Ben!  The numbers werent given out for a couple of big
> reasons, reasons which you have just violated.

Just drop it. Again.

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Hi Bippy,

> Hiya Guys,

> Okay every1 seems to be getting their setups valued.. and I've been toying
> with selling for a while.. so if you lot don't mind how much could i
> possible sell the following for?

Okay. Look. This isn't a list for selling Amigas on. There are *plenty* of
other places to do that, so the next person to post their Amiga for sale
here will be banned.

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try this: http://www.xprize.com

So apparently the judge has taken first steps to dealing extreme
punishments that could lead to the break up of the company. It says at

http://www.wired.com/news/antitrust/0,1551,32131,00.html

NSNBC claims that the stock market could suffer, but more importantly.
If Microsoft were to be split up, what would this mean for platforms
such as Linux, BeOS and Amiga? (Microsoft have shares in Apple so I
didn't bother mentioning them)

Hi Bippy,

>> Theoreticaly it would be possible, but you'd have to have a helluva
>> of knowledge on the internals of the PSX and all that ;)

> This isn't possible because the drive in the PSX is a custom drive made by
> sony (afaik) it is a max 2xspeed. Even if you could put a 24x drive in the
> PSX would still only read it at 2x :/

That's not quite true. The original PSXs had 1x drives, but the ones you get
from the shops right now are either 4x or 8x units. They are still the same
shape and size so you can swap them over if you want to.

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Hi Tim,

> it.  Which is why true computer nerds often have a second phone line. 

Oi! Are you calling me a nerd?

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> try this: http://www.xprize.com

It doesnt work! I want my prize! Make it work!

Hi M.,

> Assuming that you're either using NT or Windows98 with Group Policies
> enabled (and active - you *DO* have security set up don't you?) you'd
> need to log in as the local administrator of the machine to actually
> change settings, otherwise the GP stops the system saving them. It's
> like turing all the Save buttons into Use ones.

Okay, this is afb, not "Windows server management mailing list". Get with
the plot guys.

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Hi M.,

>> And maybe they could include a small commodity that does things
>> like doubleclicktofront,

> That's a bit of a hack IIRC..

And one that is actually included with Workbench 3.0, 3.1, 3.5...

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> Hi M.,
> 
> >> And maybe they could include a small commodity that does things
> >> like doubleclicktofront,
> 
> > That's a bit of a hack IIRC..
> 
> And one that is actually included with Workbench 3.0, 3.1, 3.5...

? ClickToFront ?

I thought that did it for just the one mouse click.. like Windows..

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Hi M.,

>> And one that is actually included with Workbench 3.0, 3.1, 3.5...

> ? ClickToFront ?

> I thought that did it for just the one mouse click.. like Windows..

Nope.

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hi,

> Ah, really it isn't. I'm trying to cut back on big new features
> being added. All the things there are things that really should
> have been in there anyway. I have a feeling that there may just
> not have been enough time..

well, i wouldnt mind the 'service pack' being entitled OS3.6 as it would
show a quick evolutionary step. Perhaps even get non os3.5 owners to
update!

> Why? The Workbench functionality is completely disk based
> in 3.5..

..not according to the H&P people at WOA'99 when approached with the
workbench multithreading issue.

alan

Hi Alan,

>> Why? The Workbench functionality is completely disk based
>> in 3.5..

> ..not according to the H&P people at WOA'99 when approached with the
> workbench multithreading issue.

Now they've had more time, and have finished OS3.5, so should know the
system better, I can ask them this weekend in K=F6ln...

All the best,
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Tom said candidly.

Paul Cundle said, 

> I looked in the printer cable, it all looks okay - no loose wires. But
> I suppose it could have shorted when I swapped it with the scanner and
> sparks flew!

That sounds like static frying a CIA chip. I had sparks when
hot-swapping a serial cable once (I know you're not supposed to do it
but I was in a hurry). The serial port died until I replaced the driver
chip. Thank God for I/O cards using standard, 80p components.


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Sealey, M. said, 

>> wrt workbench multithreading - that'll require new ROM's

> Why? The Workbench functionality is completely disk based
> in 3.5..

True, but it would require total rewrites of large chunks of code. It's
by no means a trivial addition.


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Matthew Garrett said, 

> On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 11:23:09PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:

>> If your PC is writing them in Joliet format (almost certainly the
>> default) you'll need either CacheCDFS (in IDEfix or OS 3.5) or AsimCDFS
>> to read them. Alternatively, set the PC to create Rockridge format CDs,
>> in which case any decent Amiga CD filesystem can read them.

> Hmm - do CD-RWs use UDF?

Good point. CD-RWs *can* use UDF, as can CD-Rs. UDF is a software thing,
not a function of the medium, but since PC programs can often write UDF
and Amiga filesystems can't read it, you've probably found the cause.


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Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

> cheers, thats great...now pirates are just going to stick a 1 in the 15
> possible locations :-|

I thought there was only one location where pirates should stick it...


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Sealey, M. said, 

> Calling an LVO that is in the v44 workbench.library when
> Miami needn't ever call one *is* mean, and is bad programming
> practice ;)

So is piracy, and only pirates would ever hit a problem with this.


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On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, A. Timiney wrote:

> I agree completely. It takes about 25 seconds for all the icons in my
> Prefs draw to load up. Then add another 10 or 20 seconds to workout

what?? My prefs appear within a second. thats an IDE drive by the way.

I use diskmontools to optimise and defrag my HD every so often (about 4
months) 

alan

hi,

HD Caching

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Just to let you know, there is a new version of MCP
> (it's actually a bit old now, but newer than the one

thanks Matt!

alan

> > I agree completely. It takes about 25 seconds for all the icons in
my
> > Prefs draw to load up. Then add another 10 or 20 seconds to workout
> 
> what?? My prefs appear within a second. thats an IDE drive by the way.
> 
> I use diskmontools to optimise and defrag my HD every so often (about
4
> months) 

My prefs drawer takes roughly 20 seconds to load. Most of the icons are
newicons, and (I don't know whether this is just me or not) but DOpus
seems slower on window loading.

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hi,

I was wondering , particularly with Matt here, whether there is a clear
resource list which shows which patches are clearly redundant with os3.5

I've been slowly putting thigns back into my startup-sequence (yes, bad
boy, let that woman from last months issue spank me ;-)) and saw a few
that might now be dead.


newwpa8  -> is this now covered by the new setpatch (which, when in
verbose reports about gfx things patched)

cmq060 -> is memory copying also fixed up for the 060?


alan

> newwpa8  -> is this now covered by the new setpatch (which, when in
> verbose reports about gfx things patched)

The old SetPatch reported a fix too, the thing has always worked to
a certain degree. NewWPA8 just makes it faster, and adds 2 new
problems into the mix ;)
 
> cmq060 -> is memory copying also fixed up for the 060?

CMQ060 is a hack, and should be disabled whether you use OS3.5
or not. AmigaOS makes no provisions for the MOVE16 instruction,
as far to say that it is UNSUPPORTED and not strictly system
legal to use it.

If you like your caches, your sanity, and to keep a clean system,
you'll use CMQ030 instead, which is optimised enough to make
a difference, but doesn't cause any strange side-effects like
the 060 version DOES and WILL!

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On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Yes. Install OS3.5 on a separate partition and when you are happy that it's
> working, only boot from that one.

be prepared for quite a refreshing installation....yellow and red.
interesting.

anyway, anyone upgrading, make sure it does actually install os3.5! 
I've not mentioned it here...but i will do in case others have the same
problem.

After I installed os3.5 I read some documentation on the CD...multiview
loaded up the text, then froze. oh dear. this was on a 'clean os3.5
install' - ie none of my old stuff back into the startup yet ;-)
So i rebooted..then tried some prefs...printer prefs..what the!! this is
the os3.1 prefs program!! 

solution? Easy, do the install manually

copy cd0:theos3.5drawer/workbench sys: all dates clone

this copied all the c: devs: libs: etc to the sys: drawer - and the
prefs, utils, tools etc.

multiview then worked fine (new version, new datatypes etc) and every
other program is the proper os3.5 one.

the reason for the failure? Well, this is why I should have been on the
beta team ;-)  I had a picture file in my sys:prefs/presets drawer
called 'backdrops' - a little picture of water droplets for the
background...this killed the copy process...but the installer didnt
notice.

so, be cautious...just make sure that all the new programs are there,
and all will be well! :-)


alan 

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:

> So apparently the judge has taken first steps to dealing extreme
> punishments that could lead to the break up of the company. It says at
> 
> http://www.wired.com/news/antitrust/0,1551,32131,00.html

i downloaded the .doc - i wont be printing it though, so many pages!!
I'll just read it off the screen

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> > it.  Which is why true computer nerds often have a second phone line. 
> 
> Oi! Are you calling me a nerd?

;-) its not nerdy, its bloody sensible to have 2 lines....when you're
online you can still get voice calls from your non computer 'nerd'
friends who dont have ICQ, IRC.......

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Now they've had more time, and have finished OS3.5, so should know the
> system better, I can ask them this weekend in K=F6ln...

can you hand them a nice printout of Matts 'os3.5 upgrade page' too?

=2E.still hadnt heard from the AmiSocUK people about Koln...i was looking
forward to going...too late now, i have other engagements - maybe next
year!! ;-)

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> My prefs drawer takes roughly 20 seconds to load. Most of the icons are
> newicons, and (I don't know whether this is just me or not) but DOpus
> seems slower on window loading.

I use NewIcons - and the os3.5 icons now...and I use DOpus.

I'd suggest using addbuffers to your sys: drive...and also upping the
DOpus dir cache settings. perhaps even install a nice HDCaching program
on your Amiga...give it 256k of memory.

alan

> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:
>=20
> > Now they've had more time, and have finished OS3.5, so=20
> > should know the system better, I can ask them this
> > weekend in K=F6ln...
>=20
> can you hand them a nice printout of Matts 'os3.5 upgrade page' too?

I find it hard to beleive that they won't have seen it anyway ;)

Give them a copy anyway (and tell them to check online for updates
regularly ;)

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On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> The old SetPatch reported a fix too, the thing has always worked to
> a certain degree. NewWPA8 just makes it faster, and adds 2 new
> problems into the mix ;)

;-) so, the bug rating of newwpa8 is......?
  
> CMQ060 is a hack, and should be disabled whether you use OS3.5
> or not. AmigaOS makes no provisions for the MOVE16 instruction,
> as far to say that it is UNSUPPORTED and not strictly system
> legal to use it.
> 
> If you like your caches, your sanity, and to keep a clean system,
> you'll use CMQ030 instead, which is optimised enough to make
> a difference, but doesn't cause any strange side-effects like
> the 060 version DOES and WILL!

:-) you're saying it causes problems..but i see no such artifacts from
using it 

alan

> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > The old SetPatch reported a fix too, the thing has always worked to
> > a certain degree. NewWPA8 just makes it faster, and adds 2 new
> > problems into the mix ;)
> 
> ;-) so, the bug rating of newwpa8 is......?

It only lets one task use it "at a time", corrupting the output
data or something.

The original patch used to trash the original data, but seeing as
the main use is to do Doom Clones where the screen updates
frequently it's not that much of a problem...
   
> > CMQ060 is a hack, and should be disabled whether you use OS3.5
> > or not. AmigaOS makes no provisions for the MOVE16 instruction,
> > as far to say that it is UNSUPPORTED and not strictly system
> > legal to use it.
> 
> :-) you're saying it causes problems..but i see no such artifacts from
> using it 

Then you're oh-so lucky. It will cause problems. And you'll never
notice them either - a program will crash with a freak error and you'll
NEVER be able to trace it back to CMQ060.

It's a system-illegal patch! It does bad things!
 
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Hi Alan,

> can you hand them a nice printout of Matts 'os3.5 upgrade page' too?

They know about it already...

> ..still hadnt heard from the AmiSocUK people about Koln...i was looking
> forward to going...too late now, i have other engagements - maybe next
> year!! ;-)

anyone else coming?

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Please use other door

> > My prefs drawer takes roughly 20 seconds to load. Most of the icons
are
> > newicons, and (I don't know whether this is just me or not) but
DOpus
> > seems slower on window loading.
> 
> I use NewIcons - and the os3.5 icons now...and I use DOpus.
> 
> I'd suggest using addbuffers to your sys: drive...and also upping the
> DOpus dir cache settings. perhaps even install a nice HDCaching
program
> on your Amiga...give it 256k of memory.

Well, I'm still running wb3.0, and the partition has a buffer of 300.
Should be a bit faster when my PowerFlyer comes through the post this
week...

Paul
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> hi,
> 
> I was wondering , particularly with Matt here, whether there is a
clear
> resource list which shows which patches are clearly redundant with
os3.5
> 
> I've been slowly putting thigns back into my startup-sequence (yes,
bad
> boy, let that woman from last months issue spank me ;-)) and saw a few
> that might now be dead.

Hm, yeah, on the same topic can you still use Setman in 3.5 (I finally
received it (more in another mail) or is this redundant too?

Bifford the Youngest.

hi,

I've got WBCtrl in my startup-sequence...but when i open a shell and run

wbctrl Q

(to query its settings)...it still has the IMT set to ANY, and not FAST,
even though i've set the command line to use FAST.

so...can some kind person please mail me their WBCtrl command lin and
tell me exactly where they've put it in their startup-sequence

on the subject of 'where' in the startup.... SetMan. this goes *after*
setpatch, even though the docs say *before*, correct?

alan

Tim Seifert said, 

>> Something I found out from a web page after buying my CD-RW, you can
>> only read CD-RW disks in a CDRW drive. You can read normal CDR's in
>> any drive. It's all to do with the reflectivity of disks. Approx 70%
>> for an original, 60% for a CDR, 15% for a CDRW, only really new CDR's
>> will be able to read CDRW disks. Or something :)

> True, but some newer read-only drives can read them.  Conversely, I'd
> doubt many older ones can.

Newer drives have more powerful lasers, so they can read less reflective
discs. The age of the drive is also significant in that the power of
the laser can decrease with age, along with the effective output
reducing due to dirt on the lens etc. All CDR drives should be able to
read CD-RW discs.

The end result is that an older drive is less likely to be able to read
CD-RW discs.


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A. Timiney said, 

> A `Big Prefs Program` is not nescessary - just a prefs program launcher
> would do.

Create a Prefs menu in Opus' User Menu Settings and drag the contents of
your prefs drawer onto the window. There you go, a big prefs launcher
from a single menu :)


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> > and saw a few that might now be dead.
> 
> Hm, yeah, on the same topic can you still use Setman in 3.5 (I finally
> received it (more in another mail) or is this redundant too?

You should still use SetMan, OS3.5 doesn't implement any features it
does yet.

BTW whatever the docs say, run SetMan *AFTER* SetPatch, so that nasty
programs can't unload all those lovely bugfixes ;)

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On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> Well, I'm still running wb3.0, and the partition has a buffer of 300.
> Should be a bit faster when my PowerFlyer comes through the post this
> week...

...i dont have a Flyer (as its not supported under Linux, because Elbox
wont help us kernel hackers). I use a plain 4xIDE splitter.

what size drive do you have, and what make?

I ask, because older IDE drives wont get any real benefit from the Flyer
- you must have a decent DMA PIO4 drive

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> You should still use SetMan, OS3.5 doesn't implement any features it
> does yet.
> 
> BTW whatever the docs say, run SetMan *AFTER* SetPatch, so that nasty
> programs can't unload all those lovely bugfixes ;)

whay! you answered 2 mails in one! way to go!

'''Give me an M'...'M'! give me an 'A'...'A'!...........'' ;-)

alan

> > Well, I'm still running wb3.0, and the partition has a buffer of
300.
> > Should be a bit faster when my PowerFlyer comes through the post
this
> > week...
> 
> ...i dont have a Flyer (as its not supported under Linux, because
Elbox
> wont help us kernel hackers). I use a plain 4xIDE splitter.
> 
> what size drive do you have, and what make?
> 
> I ask, because older IDE drives wont get any real benefit from the
Flyer
> - you must have a decent DMA PIO4 drive

A Fujitsu 4.3Gb hard drive, that is about a year old. It supports all
the latest modes (or so the manual said...).

Paul
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> hi,
> 
> I've got WBCtrl in my startup-sequence...but when i open a 
> shell and run
> 
> wbctrl Q
> 
> (to query its settings)...it still has the IMT set to ANY, 
> and not FAST, even though i've set the command line to use FAST.

It should be ANY, that means it gos FAST first, CHIP second.

It's not nice to specifically allocate memory types these days..

> so...can some kind person please mail me their WBCtrl command lin and
> tell me exactly where they've put it in their startup-sequence

C:LoadWB
C:WBCtrl G
 
> on the subject of 'where' in the startup.... SetMan. this goes *after*
> setpatch, even though the docs say *before*, correct?

Yup :)

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Howdy Ben

On 08-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

BV> Hi Bippy,

BV>> Hiya Guys,

BV>>  Okay every1 seems to be getting their setups valued.. and I've been
BV>>  toying with selling for a while.. so if you lot don't mind how much
BV>>  could i possible sell the following for?

BV> Okay. Look. This isn't a list for selling Amigas on. There are *plenty*
BV> of other places to do that, so the next person to post their Amiga for
BV> sale here will be banned.

I don't mean to be funny or owt.. but my Amiga is NOT (yet) for sale.. I'm
just curious as to how much it's worth... Sorry!!

Cya

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Hi all,

Now I now 3.5 is supposed to work just fine with DOpus Magellan
(excepting the AppIcons) but Ive been getting problems with my set-up
now.

Before I installed 3.5 All my backdrops would load fine, and stretch to
fit the screen (Super-Hi-Res-Laced (Dont start!)), now however they do
one of two things: either they tile themselves onscreen (which with
pictures not patterns dont look so good) or they stretch to fit but the
right 2/3s of the screen have evenly spaced white lines horizontally
across the picture while the left 1/3 appears normal.

Also, I occasionally have the problem where the programs or drawers
dont appear on screen.  Memory disapears but no window appears.  I have
to re-boot to correct the problem.

Also, the icons for my Ram: disk; CDs; and Disks all come up as an icon
of a desktop box - instead of what Ive set (They all appear fine in WB
without DOpus).  Is this to be fixed with GPSofts upcomming patch?

I think thats about it for now.  All in all, 3.5 has provided more
solutions than problems so Im happy.  We just need to wheedle out the
bugs that are still there.

Bifford the youngest.

P.S. I have Use Newicons turned on and Discourage Newicons turned off
in DOpus.

>BTW, would someone mind printing a (very simple to understand) explanation
>to convince my Dad that running the client on his PC offers absolutely no
>potential virus situation (that is the case isn`t it?).

Does running quake give you a virus? does typing a document give you a 
virus? There is no way to tell him, it just doesn`t. The fact that there are 
millions of people using it might convince him. Better still wait till he`s 
gone out, then...... ;)

______________________________________________________

> > Hm, yeah, on the same topic can you still use Setman in 3.5 (I
finally
> > received it (more in another mail) or is this redundant too?
> 
> You should still use SetMan, OS3.5 doesn't implement any features it
> does yet.
> 
> BTW whatever the docs say, run SetMan *AFTER* SetPatch, so that nasty
> programs can't unload all those lovely bugfixes ;)

Where would you suggest Matt?  After setting up the assigns? After
running Userstartup but before running WB?

Bifford the Youngest.

"matthew o'neill" <oneillmatthe-@hotmail.com> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=36031
> >BTW, would someone mind printing a (very simple to understand)
explanation
> >to convince my Dad that running the client on his PC offers
absolutely no
> >potential virus situation (that is the case isn`t it?).
> 
> Does running quake give you a virus? does typing a document give you
a 
> virus? There is no way to tell him, it just doesn`t. The fact that
there are 
> millions of people using it might convince him. Better still wait
till he`s 
> gone out, then...... ;)

Hey - just send him to my site! Theres a whole page on Why you *should*
be RC5-64 cracking!

He, he.  Couldnt resist the chance to promote.  Only thing is my link
buttons dont appear to want to work anymore.  Bizzare.

Bifford the Youngest.

http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> A Fujitsu 4.3Gb hard drive, that is about a year old. It supports all
> the latest modes (or so the manual said...).

yep. probably exactly the same model as mine..the Fujitsu 4.3Gb's are
very popular :-)

alan

> BV>>  Okay every1 seems to be getting their setups valued.. and I've
been
> BV>>  toying with selling for a while.. so if you lot don't mind how
much
> BV>>  could i possible sell the following for?
> 
> BV> Okay. Look. This isn't a list for selling Amigas on. There are
*plenty*
> BV> of other places to do that, so the next person to post their
Amiga for
> BV> sale here will be banned.
> 
> I don't mean to be funny or owt.. but my Amiga is NOT (yet) for
sale.. I'm
> just curious as to how much it's worth... Sorry!!


Same Difference.

Bifford the Youngest.

> Now I now 3.5 is supposed to work just fine with DOpus Magellan
> (excepting the AppIcons) but Ive been getting problems with my set-up
> now.

I used to get loads of problems with DOpus when I first installed it.

> Before I installed 3.5 All my backdrops would load fine, and stretch
to
> fit the screen (Super-Hi-Res-Laced (Dont start!)), now however they do
> one of two things: either they tile themselves onscreen (which with
> pictures not patterns dont look so good) or they stretch to fit but
the
> right 2/3s of the screen have evenly spaced white lines horizontally
> across the picture while the left 1/3 appears normal.

Erm, so you set the image to stretch to the screen size? A major guess
here, but the new WB3.5 IPrefs may be to blame.

> Also, I occasionally have the problem where the programs or drawers
> dont appear on screen.  Memory disapears but no window appears.  I
have
> to re-boot to correct the problem.

And now I enter the Twilight Zone... this happens to me occasionally. I
open a window in DOpus while simultaneously pulling down a menu, but
the menu just highlights and doesn't appear...

> Also, the icons for my Ram: disk; CDs; and Disks all come up as an
icon
> of a desktop box - instead of what Ive set (They all appear fine in WB
> without DOpus).  Is this to be fixed with GPSofts upcomming patch?

Hopefully, 'cos then I'll buy WB3.5!

> I think thats about it for now.  All in all, 3.5 has provided more
> solutions than problems so Im happy.  We just need to wheedle out the
> bugs that are still there.

> P.S. I have Use Newicons turned on and Discourage Newicons turned off
> in DOpus.

Which means that it'll load NewIcons if present. If you turned
Discourage Newicons on, then the default icon would load (I think).

Paul
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> > BTW whatever the docs say, run SetMan *AFTER* SetPatch, so 
> > that nasty programs can't unload all those lovely bugfixes ;)
> 
> Where would you suggest Matt?  After setting up the assigns? After
> running Userstartup but before running WB?

I meant what I said:

C:SetPatch 
C:SetMan >NIL:

In S:Startup-sequence. If you start it any later, it will hardly
do any good, now, will it?

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> 
> > A Fujitsu 4.3Gb hard drive, that is about a year old. It 
> > supports all the latest modes (or so the manual said...).
> 
> yep. probably exactly the same model as mine..the Fujitsu 4.3Gb's are
> very popular :-)

Cheap, speedy, reliable, COOL to look at :)

Can you tell that I have one too? I swear by Fujitsu drives ;)

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> > A Fujitsu 4.3Gb hard drive, that is about a year old. It supports
all
> > the latest modes (or so the manual said...).
> 
> yep. probably exactly the same model as mine..the Fujitsu 4.3Gb's are
> very popular :-)

Nice a silver... Look pretty darn cool!

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Hi amipal@yahoo.com,

>> of a desktop box - instead of what Ive set (They all appear fine in WB
>> without DOpus).  Is this to be fixed with GPSofts upcomming patch?

> Hopefully, 'cos then I'll buy WB3.5!

I'm running Opus on WB3.5 permanently now...

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hi,

whilst on the subject of RC5-64....


A new version of the client is now available.. *please*, *please*
*PLEASE* (i cannot stress this enough!) read the documentation for it on
the Web page before you use it.

it *does* contain some bugs...use the older (current) version to
actually do your flushing and fetching, and use the new 'beta'
 to do the cracking.

why? Because this new version is about 30-50% faster on the 680x0 CPUs!
yes!  147kkeys/s on an 060 is sure better than 114 kkeys/s. the 030 and
020 have huge boosts.

A new proper client will be available in a month's time (or so.....) and
will feature all the new rc5de client parts - FIFO buffers (your first
keys in are your first out) and bigger buffers etc etc

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com wrote:

> Where would you suggest Matt?  After setting up the assigns? After
> running Userstartup but before running WB?

straight after setpatch

alan

> > P.S. I have Use Newicons turned on and Discourage Newicons turned
off
> > in DOpus.
> 
> Which means that it'll load NewIcons if present. If you turned
> Discourage Newicons on, then the default icon would load (I think).
> 
Hi Paul

Yup, thats right.  I did this and ended up with the plain old Beige
boxes.  Ick!  When I turned it back on and rebooted they were still
there so I had to use the UpdateNewIcons tool to replace them with
GlowIcons again.  2 minutes work, but still annoying.

Bifford the Youngest.

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Can you tell that I have one too? I swear by Fujitsu drives ;)

;-) well then....we do agree on certain issues :-)

alan

> > > BTW whatever the docs say, run SetMan *AFTER* SetPatch, so 
> > > that nasty programs can't unload all those lovely bugfixes ;)
> > 
> > Where would you suggest Matt?  After setting up the assigns? After
> > running Userstartup but before running WB?
> 
> I meant what I said:
> 
> C:SetPatch 
> C:SetMan >NIL:
> 
> In S:Startup-sequence. If you start it any later, it will hardly
> do any good, now, will it?

Just checking.  You can be a bit vague at times Matt.

Bifford the Youngest.

> > Hopefully, 'cos then I'll buy WB3.5!
> 
> I'm running Opus on WB3.5 permanently now...

I'd buy it now, to be honest. The only thing stopping me is the fact
that I've ordered quite a lot in the last few months (Wipeout, BVision,
PowerFlyer), and I'll probably wait for them to come through first!

Paul
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> >> of a desktop box - instead of what Ive set (They all appear fine
in WB
> >> without DOpus).  Is this to be fixed with GPSofts upcomming patch?
> 
> > Hopefully, 'cos then I'll buy WB3.5!
> 
> I'm running Opus on WB3.5 permanently now...

Hi Ben,

So your not having the problems Im having?  Saying that you have a
graphics card, Im stuck with AGA.  Whats you set-up (Dopus & WB) like? 
Maybe Im missing something totally obvious (I was with a recent problem
with AmTCP), it would be just like me!

Bifford the Youngest.

>then why they charged my card on 30-10-99??? Anyway I hope can >receive it
>soon! I am from HONG KONG

Your text just gained an accent <:)  (cue Wayne's world jokes...)

Anyone scouses here?

______________________________________________________

> > then why they charged my card on 30-10-99??? Anyway I hope 
> > can receive it soon! I am from HONG KONG
> 
> Your text just gained an accent <:)  (cue Wayne's world jokes...)

Huh? And how come you've branded him a conehead? :P

> Anyone scouses here?

Not me! Pure Leicesterish frew an' frew, innit!

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Hi sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com,

> So your not having the problems Im having?  Saying that you have a
> graphics card, Im stuck with AGA.  Whats you set-up (Dopus & WB) like? 
> Maybe Im missing something totally obvious (I was with a recent problem
> with AmTCP), it would be just like me!

Are you still putting the entry in your user-startup that copies your
preferred icon to RAM:disk.info, etc...?

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Hi guys I'm working inside this huge tower [echo - echo]

I need one of those 90 degree bend thingies for my Squirrel. Phoned
Eyetech, you know, the people with the enormous list of useful stuff.
What a surprise to find that they dont do them! "You dont need them for
our own tower so we dont sell them". 
Power have them so they got my money. 
My advice, do what I`ll be doing from now on try Power first.

Neil Ives

hi,

> I'd buy it now, to be honest. The only thing stopping me is the fact
> that I've ordered quite a lot in the last few months (Wipeout, BVision,
> PowerFlyer), and I'll probably wait for them to come through first!

know how you feel. I've got 30 UKP left for this months 'Amiga budget'
(and we're only in week 2!)

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com wrote:

> So your not having the problems Im having?  Saying that you have a
> graphics card, Im stuck with AGA.  Whats you set-up (Dopus & WB) like? 
> Maybe Im missing something totally obvious (I was with a recent problem
> with AmTCP), it would be just like me!

...err, dont forget, Ben already has a DOpus patch from Greg ;-)

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 neil.ives@bt.com wrote:

> I need one of those 90 degree bend thingies for my Squirrel. Phoned
> Eyetech, you know, the people with the enormous list of useful stuff.
> What a surprise to find that they dont do them! "You dont need them for
> our own tower so we dont sell them". 
> Power have them so they got my money. 
> My advice, do what I`ll be doing from now on try Power first.

well, t'is fair that they dont do them, as their towers dont need them,
but plenty of people do need them....

alan

> > So your not having the problems Im having?  Saying that you have a
> > graphics card, Im stuck with AGA.  Whats you set-up (Dopus & WB)
like? 
> > Maybe Im missing something totally obvious (I was with a recent
problem
> > with AmTCP), it would be just like me!
> 
> Are you still putting the entry in your user-startup that copies your
> preferred icon to RAM:disk.info, etc...?

Eh?  Whats that?  Never knew about that one in the first place! 
(Although I had heard there was a way around it, I never found out how)
 So whats the full listing for doing that, please Ben.

Bifford the Youngest.

Hi sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com,

> Eh?  Whats that?  Never knew about that one in the first place! 
> (Although I had heard there was a way around it, I never found out how)
> So whats the full listing for doing that, please Ben.

It's not exactly hard Sam, and has been covered in the magazine since time
immemorial.

Copy path:name_of_icon.info ram:disk.info

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*Hello Tim*

*On 07-Nov-99, you mailed me about [afb] Re: Using Root to login., so here's my reply..*

> I've only briefly looked at Genesis and AmiTCP, both are nasty pieces of
> work.  But I wonder this:  Is there somewhere you select the user that
> you log on with, from the list of possible entries in the user
> database?

I prefer GENESiS to Miami I have to say, but that is a minority opinion I
expect ;)

There is a user list in GENESiS that you can select a user from, just choose
Show users in the preferences and a drop down box will appear on the main
interface.

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Anything you try to fix will take longer and cost more than you thought

> It's not exactly hard Sam, and has been covered in the magazine since
time
> immemorial.
> 
> Copy path:name_of_icon.info ram:disk.info

Really? Can't say I have ever seen it, and I've been reading AF since
issue 5!

Paul
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Hi amipal@yahoo.com,

>> It's not exactly hard Sam, and has been covered in the magazine since
>> time immemorial.

>> Copy path:name_of_icon.info ram:disk.info

> Really? Can't say I have ever seen it, and I've been reading AF since
> issue 5!

Trust me, it's been in there several dozen times.

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"alan l.m. buxey" <kcci-@central.susx.ac.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=36054
 
> well, t'is fair that they dont do them, as their towers dont need
them,
> but plenty of people do need them....

Of course they are under no obligation to stock them, but I would have
thought that the sale would be worth having, Power quoted me nearly 20
quid!

Neil Ives 

Hello Tim

On 07-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Or for a real world exercise, watch a TV tech fix a tv set with little
> more than a screwdriver and soldering iron.  He hits the circuits with
> the screwdriver, until he finds the dodgy component (converting an
> intermittent fault into permanent fault).

( and at the same time, preparing the set for its next failure; he won't
need the soldering iron for his second visit either, or just to pretend :)

  Patrice

Hello Ben

On 08-Nov-99, you wrote:
 
> YAM *does* send your message to afb, but eGroups sends me and the other
> moderators mail saying "Daily limit has been reached" and the mail doesn't
> go onto the list. The "daily limit" runs between 8AM-8AM GMT because
> eGroups are based on the west coast of America and are at least 8 hours
> behind us european types.

  Thanks for correcting what I've been trying to guess after repeated
incidents ( now fixed... until next time )
  Is there also a list of 'forbidden' words that causes your mail to be
automatically 'sent to the moderator for approval'? That happened to me
four or five times, though I never cursed anyone! 

  Bye,

  Patrice

Hello Tim

On 07-Nov-99, you wrote:

>>> Excuse me but, unless you're both kidding, why can't it be
>>> the key with a full stop on it, i.e. THAT '.'  ?
> 
> It depends where you are from as to what you call it.  Americans call it
> a period, English a full stop.

  Well, Maarten is Dutch, so I didn't think it made any difference. Full
stop doesn't refer to any other character in American English, and I
checked the dot was at the same place on any qwerty keybords before
answering, so it should work... either that, or the dot on the numeric
keypad.

  Patrice

Hi Patrice,

>  Thanks for correcting what I've been trying to guess after repeated
> incidents ( now fixed... until next time )
>  Is there also a list of 'forbidden' words that causes your mail to be
> automatically 'sent to the moderator for approval'? That happened to me
> four or five times, though I never cursed anyone! 

No, although if eGroups thinks you are sending the same mail twice it sends
it through.

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Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

> ;-) its not nerdy, its bloody sensible to have 2 lines....when you're
> online you can still get voice calls from your non computer 'nerd'
> friends

Hang on, you've lost me there...


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Ben Vost wrote:
> 
> Hi sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com,
> > So whats the full listing for doing that, please Ben.
> 
> It's not exactly hard Sam, and has been covered in the magazine since time
> immemorial.
> 
> Copy path:name_of_icon.info ram:disk.info

To paraphrase Chris Tarant:

"The're only easy when you know the answer"

Regards
Bernie
berno@enterprise.net

When I had cable fitted at home, the BT box thingy was totally removed.
Therefore, is it still possible to fit a BT Home Highway box?

Paul
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Hi Bernard,

>>> So whats the full listing for doing that, please Ben.

>> It's not exactly hard Sam, and has been covered in the magazine since
>> time immemorial.

>> Copy path:name_of_icon.info ram:disk.info

> To paraphrase Chris Tarant:

> "The're only easy when you know the answer"

Fairy snuff, but this is not new info, nor particularly abstruse, so people
*should* know the answer by now. Perhaps we should have put this as one of
our 50 things...

All the best,
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Excuse for the day: bit bucket overflow

> > To paraphrase Chris Tarant:
> 
> > "The're only easy when you know the answer"
> 
> Fairy snuff, but this is not new info, nor particularly abstruse, so
people
> *should* know the answer by now. Perhaps we should have put this as
one of
> our 50 things...

So you could do a piece entitled:
"50 Things we forgot that you forgot"!!

Bifford the Youngest.

Hello Ben

On 08-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Hi Matthew,
> 
>>> There is a general aura of evility that lingers around the whole of
>>> Future...
> 
>> ummm......evility isn't in my dictionary.....yes I checked......
> 
> Nooo, you don't say? 
On a similar vein, Did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in any
English dictionary.....strange but true!

Regards

chris
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packets and become a Priest?
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Powered by PowerPC Amiga in Dumfries & Galloway

A1200 Power Tower, 200Mhz PPC/060 50Mhz, BVision, 74Mb Ram, OS3.5, CGX V4.1

Panasonic 36" Wiiiiddeessccrreeennn TV, Pioneer 717 MultiRegion DVD, Denon
AC3 Decoder, JBL Speakers, Kef SubWoofer..... 

> > Nooo, you don't say? 
> On a similar vein, Did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in any
> English dictionary.....strange but true!

That has got to be *The* oldest trick in the book!

Get up to date that man!

Anyone who falls for that one should read about gullible in a thesorus
- it probably lists "idiot";"fool";"yourself".

Bifford the youngest.

Hi M.,

On 08-Nov-99 this ASCII block fell out of your virtual mouth: [afb] Re: 3=
=2E5 wishlist update notification

>> wrt workbench multithreading - that'll require new ROM's
> =

> Why? The Workbench functionality is completely disk based
> in 3.5..

Not all of it. If you check the OS 3.1 ROM build list in the NDK 3.1, you=
'll notice that 70K of the Workbench code is located in the ROM.

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> 
> On 08-Nov-99 this ASCII block fell out of your virtual mouth: 
> [afb] Re: 3.5 wishlist update notification
> 
> >> wrt workbench multithreading - that'll require new ROM's
> > 
> > Why? The Workbench functionality is completely disk based
> > in 3.5..
> 
> Not all of it. If you check the OS 3.1 ROM build list in the 
> NDK 3.1, you'll notice that 70K of the Workbench code is 
> located in the ROM.

And if you bothered to check the OS3.5 installation, you'll
find that the 70k of Workbench code gets blatted at startup,
and loaded from disk!

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Computer Centre
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Im reading a book atm for my Disertation, which has brought up some
interesting ideas (written 1995).  This is one part of it that really
hits the nail on the head.  The book is: "Being Digital" by Nicholas
Negroponte. (Hodder & Stoughton)

"Likewise, the general interface with personal computers has been
treated as a physical design problem.  But interface is not just about
the look and feel of a computer.  It is about the creation of
personality, the design of intelligence, and building machines that can
recognize human expression.
   A dog can recognize you from your gait more than one hundred yards
away, whereas a computer does not even know you are there.  Almost any
pet can tell when you are angry, but a computer does not have a clue. 
Even puppies know when they have done wrong; computers don`t.
   The challenge for the next decade is not just to give people bigger
screens, better sound quality, and easier-to-use graphical input
devices.  It is to make computers that know you, learn about your
needs, and understand verbal and nonverbal languages.  A computer
should know the difference between your saying `Kissinger` and `kissing
her`, not because it can find the small acoustic difference, but
because it can understand the meaning.  That's good interface design.
   The burden of interaction today has been placed totally on the
shoulders of the human party.  Something as banal as printing a
computer file can be a debilitaing exercise that resembles voodoo more
than respectable human behaviour.  As a result, many adults are turned
off and claim to be hopelessly computer illiterate.
  This will change."

(pp91/92)

That just about says it all really.  An interface that learns and knows
you as an individual.  Brilliant.

Bifford the Youngest.

[sniiip]
> (pp91/92)
> 
> That just about says it all really.  An interface that learns 
> and knows you as an individual.  Brilliant.

Scary, more like.

--
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Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Remember the lenticular display patent?

I've just found out something really wierd. You know
those silly things you get out of cereal boxes with
two/three frame animations of Tony the Tiger skiing
badly, or Qui Gon Jinn looking beardy? You know,
move them in the light and they animate?

THEY'RE lenticular..

How the hell do you implement that on a computer?

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> > That just about says it all really.  An interface that learns 
> > and knows you as an individual.  Brilliant.
> 
> Scary, more like.

Well, in your case Matt, I'd agree!  Anything that understands you
*has* to be scary!!!!!

Then again.  Anything that understands me is scary too.  And that
includes me understanding me!!

Bifford the Youngest.

The patch for DOpus to help with compatibilty with WB3.5 is now on
GPSoft's website:
http://www.gpsoft.com.au

Just thought I'd tell you...

Paul
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sam said, 

> Before I installed 3.5 All my backdrops would load fine, and stretch to
> fit the screen (Super-Hi-Res-Laced (Dont start!)), now however they do
> one of two things: either they tile themselves onscreen (which with
> pictures not patterns dont look so good) or they stretch to fit but the
> right 2/3s of the screen have evenly spaced white lines horizontally
> across the picture while the left 1/3 appears normal.

The easy answer is not to stretch backdrop images. The system scaling
routines are far from the prettiest available, and it slows down your
bootup while the scaling takes place. The best solution is to scale the
images in a paint/image processing program and save them out at the
correct size.


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On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Trust me, it's been in there several dozen times.

certainly not sicne time immorial though - I can hardly recall AF being
too technical in such fashion until perhaps 3 years ago.

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 neil.ives@bt.com wrote:

> Of course they are under no obligation to stock them, but I would have
> thought that the sale would be worth having, Power quoted me nearly 20
> quid!

you can get such things from Maplin and RS too

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> When I had cable fitted at home, the BT box thingy was totally removed.
> Therefore, is it still possible to fit a BT Home Highway box?

err, Cable arent allowed to touch your BT box, thats BT property!

alan

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com wrote:

> That just about says it all really.  An interface that learns and knows
> you as an individual.  Brilliant.

my Amiga does that......if I use it, it works. If anyone else tries to
run programs on it, it crashes and locks up  8-)

alan

> > When I had cable fitted at home, the BT box thingy was totally
removed.
> > Therefore, is it still possible to fit a BT Home Highway box?
> err, Cable arent allowed to touch your BT box, thats BT property!

Woops. Er, well, I'll have a word with me Dad I think.

Paul
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> 
> THEY'RE lenticular..
> 
> How the hell do you implement that on a computer?

well, as you cant do such things with modern monitors, you change the
display instead....depending on where the mouse is located. as you move
the mouse to the left or right, newer items appear in the box. the
actual cursor doesnt move whilst the middle mouse button is pressed (for
example) so you switch between window info just by moving the mouse up,
down or sideways...no scroll bars ever again

alan

Hi Patrice, the private mail I sent you was returned. Heres the text
though.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks for offering help with YAM. 

Last week YAM started showing an error message about the date not being
in AmigaDos format every time I try to send mail. I have mailed Marcel
Beck but have not yet had a reply. Incoming mails are OK.
Any ideas?

Thanks again.


Neil Ives at work

Mail to: Neil Ives at home - neil.ives@btinternet.com

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> The patch for DOpus to help with compatibilty with WB3.5 is now on
> GPSoft's website:
> http://www.gpsoft.com.au

oh!  cheers! Thought it wasnt coming out until the Koln show

alan

> > That just about says it all really.  An interface that learns and
knows
> > you as an individual.  Brilliant.
> 
> my Amiga does that......if I use it, it works. If anyone else tries to
> run programs on it, it crashes and locks up  8-)

Ditto, though at the most inopportune moments. Here is a peek into one
such moment:

At college:
"Hey guys! Come and have a look at my groovy Amiga!"
"There crap, but I'll take a peek."
At home:
"Let's turn this bitch on!"
"Wow, booted fast..."
"This is, what you may call it, Doom. I on the other hand prefer the
title ADoom." [Amiga-M]
"Hey, why did you quit?"
"I didn't. I multitasked to another screen."
"Ooh."
After some fiddling with various bits'n'bobs:
"...and now it has locked up."
"Never mind; just reboot."
"Oh shit, now the damn hard drives invalidated! Grr!"

(And yes, this HAS happened!)

Paul
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